Thanks Mr.Ralph. Thanks Mr.Anil. You guys rock. This is super. I will take it forward. Sometimes its the kick start is all you ( in this case me) need.
Regards, Avinash On 3/4/09, Ralph Coelho <[email protected]> wrote: > > Q1 You need to fill up dimensions . Use a sanctioned plan of you have one > or use the schedule with your sale deed. According to the rules if the > actual dimensions are different you are liable for giving wrong info. > In the case of apts it is not clear how much of common area is included in > SBA. This is relevant because Tax for common areas is to be paid by the > concerned building association and the rate is lower, I think. Don't know > whose is the legal responsibility. > Do not depend on the knowledge of the helper. > Best is it us your old SAS form. This is another trip. IF you have not > completed the old SAS form there are penalties for not having paid correct > tax! > > Q2 Anyone can pay the tax! Strange but true. That is why there is a rule > somewhere that payment of tax is not proof of ownership. > > Q3 Very important to keep copies of all your filings. With the new > technology it is possible fro the BUMP to scan and keep electronic copies > for easy reference. And of you do not have your copy then you are their > mercy. The GIS system, if properly used is, a help. For instance it can only > have what has been entered. This is wholly dependent on physical > verification which is in the hands of the revenue department and in actual > fact deans on a low paid Tax Inspector. So be prepared to have it wrong or > missing . But what is there can be seen by anyone, Check out the Property > register with PID numbers and find out how many , other than apartment > buildings are paying a fair tax. > Q 4. Tax is to be paid for the six month calendar block in which it was > registered. This clarification is in the Handbook on the BBMP site. No tax > is paid before because the building is technically non-existent before it is > registered. Provides an interesting case of conflict between completion, > occupation certificate and registration. Also many cross connections between > building, getting water and sewage connection and electricity - all from > different agencies. Each of course offers short cuts also. > > Trust this helps. > > R. P. Coelho > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Anil kumar <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM > *Subject:* CAF3082 Re: Property Tax woes ! > > > > Q1) Do I need any documents along with the application form ? > > You don’t need any document, it is a self assessment. If it is a new > assessment you should fill up the concerned form such as Form I for those > having PID, Form II for person having Katha without PID(CMC & TMC area), > form III for those don’t have katha and PID No. > > > > Q2) In case the owner is not available and he wants to pay tax how is this > possible and what are the necessary steps to be taken ? Does it require > authorization letter ? A GPA ? > > Get a power of attorney. > > > > Q3) Does anybody has links / documents to previous years property tax ? I > can meet personally take a copy and return it back ? > > The previous amount is same as this year only the zonal changes are > effected and only 24% cess in the new SAS whereas in the old SAS it is 34% > (IF you can provide me the exact location such as road, place of the > property, area etc., of the property I will help you calculating the tax. > > > > > > Q4) What if my flat is registered in Jan 09 ? As per the handbook we need > to pay tax the instance we got BESCOM connection or Khata whichever is > earlier, we got BESCOM before Jan 09. Who pays tax for months before Jan 09 > ? The builder ? > > > > All these clarifiction is provided as far as my knowledge is concerned, If > any of our enlightened members have any other clarification they are welcome > to post the same on the board. > > > > > --- On *Tue, 3/3/09, Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]>* wrote: > > From: Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]> > Subject: CAF3078 Re: Property Tax woes ! > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 12:32 AM > > Dear Citizens, > I hope this will be my last mail on queries for property tax at this forum. > BBMP guys are confusing me a lot. Every person gives a different answer. I > have lost hope. I have taken this initiative and volunteered for my > apartment to drive people to pay tax. I think you all in this group are > seniors and have deep knowledge about property tax. Please give me some > pointers to take it forward. > > Queries: > Q1) Do I need any documents along with the application form ? > Q2) In case the owner is not available and he wants to pay tax how is this > possible and what are the necessary steps to be taken ? Does it require > authorization letter ? A GPA ? > Q3) Does anybody has links / documents to previous years property tax ? I > can meet personally take a copy and return it back ? > Q4) What if my flat is registered in Jan 09 ? As per the handbook we need > to pay tax the instance we got BESCOM connection or Khata whichever is > earlier, we got BESCOM before Jan 09. Who pays tax for months before Jan 09 > ? The builder ? > > Regards, > Avinash > > On 2/28/09, Anil kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Avinash, >> Please prepare a letter to the Joint Commissioner(Revenue) BBMP seeking >> clarification of Zone and submit under acknowledgment with a copies >> marked to the Commissioner and to the Administrator. Let them reply in >> writing about the correct zonal classification, If its a mistake let them >> issue a press statement about the mistake. >> With regards, >> Anil >> --- On *Sat, 2/28/09, Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]> >> Subject: CAF3048 Re: Property Tax woes ! >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:22 AM >> >> Thank you all for your pointers. Indeed I took some efforts to meet >> Mahadevpura RO. His take was that apartments must not be mentioned in the >> Zonal documents. It is a mistake that our apartment mentioned and is falling >> under Zone F, as per him its Zone E. The Zone classification is based on >> main roads. He said if we go as per the document then BBMP will slap a >> penalty later since our apartment guidance value has increased, hence its >> Zone E. If all our apartment owners shift from Zone F (which is official >> released document) to Zone E then the delta amount BBMP gains is overall >> around 4 Lakhs. Overall I am not convinced by AROs/ROs verbal communication, >> when asked if he can give in writing, he played safe saying "RO can only >> give information, he cannot guide or mis-guide you". >> >> BTW now all the property tax related documents are uploaded to BBMP online >> link including the handbook. I wish Forms were also a part of this ..:)) >> http://bmponline.org/propertytax/recent%20amendments.shtml >> >> I will contact the Jt.Commissioner mentioned by Mr.T.Vidyadhar. >> >> Thanks once again. >> >> Regards, >> Avinash >> >> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Anil kumar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The quiery has come from the internt, i had replied accordingly >>> >>> --- On *Fri, 2/27/09, TANIAPPA VIDYADHAR <[email protected]>*wrote: >>> >>> From: TANIAPPA VIDYADHAR <[email protected]> >>> Subject: CAF3043 Re: Property Tax woes ! >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 9:21 PM >>> >>> Many are not internet savy, sir >>> T.Vidyadhar. >>> >>> --- On *Fri, 27/2/09, Muralidhar Rao <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Muralidhar Rao <[email protected]> >>> Subject: CAF3039 Re: Property Tax woes ! >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 6:33 PM >>> >>> You don't need the book. All the particulars are there in the web-link >>> provided by Anil. >>> >>> Muralidhar Rao >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:55 PM, TANIAPPA VIDYADHAR < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> One of the residents of Anand Nagar in Hebbal constituency >>>> complained to me regarding non availability of reciept books and residents >>>> were asked to come the next day to collect reciept. As usual BBMP was >>>> supplying handbook as and when they were made available from Govt Press( >>>> may >>>> be having out dated printing press or may not be having generator if power >>>> fails) and they were in short supply. Then they started printing reciept >>>> books and these were in short supply agonising the citizens. I can >>>> understand the delay in printing hand book as the rules of the game changed >>>> so fast. Why reciept books were not made ready ? Hello, the promoters of >>>> Govt control ::. A simple planning failure, causing inconveniences to >>>> citizens.On top of this corrupt practises by some , but not all. >>>> Meanwhile I found out that BBMP has to accept when you have filed yr Tax >>>> form as per the Manual. If you any one troubles please call Puttaswamy >>>> -9845504455, Jt Commissioner ( revenue) BBMP. You call in front of the guy >>>> who is refusing to take or confusing you. So consider the hand book as >>>> bible >>>> , do not ask the priests who never read bible. >>>> T.Vidyadhar >>>> >>>> --- On *Fri, 27/2/09, Muralidhar Rao <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Muralidhar Rao <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: CAF3034 Re: Property Tax woes ! >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 2:00 PM >>>> >>>> Mr Avinash >>>> The inspector's job is to confuse people and make money. Go by the book, >>>> and if he doesn't accept it, take up the matter through the association. >>>> Muralidhar Rao >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM, TANIAPPA VIDYADHAR < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I suggest that u strictly go through the manual furnished by BBMP. >>>>> Many of the staff who are recieving the Tax are ignorant of the >>>>> rules. There was an educated retired Officer knowing the rule through the >>>>> booklet, asked the guy at the Tax mela for a clarification. He misguided >>>>> the educated person and later the retired Official was cursing the BBMP. >>>>> But >>>>> why should he ? Just follow the instructions in the booklet. U will be >>>>> fine. >>>>> T.Vidyadhar >>>>> >>>>> --- On *Fri, 27/2/09, Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: CAF3032 Property Tax woes ! >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 11:45 AM >>>>> >>>>> Hello Citizens, >>>>> I need some suggestions how to proceed with the mess that I am facing >>>>> for payment of property tax. >>>>> >>>>> My apartment falls in Zone F as per the published document from BBMP. >>>>> http://www.bmponline.org/propertytax/newzones_R/M%20Pura.pdf >>>>> >>>>> Now when I go to the RO help centre to pay the property tax, he says we >>>>> fall in Zone E. When I ask his Senior he guides me to go with the >>>>> published >>>>> document which contradicts and is Zone F. >>>>> >>>>> What is legally correct ? Since its a SAS (Self Assessment Scheme) and >>>>> I adhere to the published documents from BBMP can they later come and >>>>> give a >>>>> penalty ? >>>>> >>>>> Anyone has some links to SAS 2000 documents with Zone information ? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Avinash >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Click here. >>>>> >>>>> <http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_7/*http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. >>>> >>>> <http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. 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