prestonville wrote: > IMHO listing the results of your efforts, be it number of Champions, judging > credentials etc gives your opinion some credibility and is not self > promotion, it is statement of fact. >
In responding to this statement, Dianne, I just want you to understand that I am not responding to you personally. Whilst listing Champions & judging credentials is a statement of fact, it is also a form of self promotion. It is a form of bragging. I see no reason why breeders should not do this if they wish. However, when others publish their good health test results, either in advertising form or in a Health/Heart Registry, they are often ridiculed and accused of using this as a sales pitch to sell their puppies. And advertising one's Champions is not a sales pitch for encouraging people to use the dog at stud or to sell puppies? If keeping health test results a secret is a breeder's policy, then Champions and show wins should also be kept secret. Anne > And how would us lesser mortals perceive a leader to be Dave? Surely > someone who has produced consistently great dogs over a long period of time > would be regarded as a person who knew what they were doing, had the > experiance/knowledge which they were willing to share with others, taken an > active role in breed associated activities over that same period of time, > written lengthy articles on the breed, educated Judges on the breed? > > What other qualities do they need? Why should they have to repeat time after > time the same message to the same people - who are obviously not listening > or not able to comprehend the message or accept the information offered. Why > waste valuable time with such people. > > IMHO listing the results of your efforts, be it number of Champions, judging > credentials etc gives your opinion some credibility and is not self > promotion, it is statement of fact. Why do you have a problem with that? Do > you not list your credentials in your work situation? to give yourself > credibility................ > > AND as Chairperson of NZKC Judges Association I personally take great > offence at your suggestion that those in our breed who also Judge "solicit > financed judging assignments for travel and socializing". To cover yourself > by saying you haven't put anyone into a category is not good enough. Either > name names or don't make unsubstantiated allegations. > > Dianne Tyssen > Prestonville Cavaliers > Invercargill New Zealand > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.prestonville.com > > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:31:07 EST > From: Dave Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: International & Experience > > In a message dated 12/9/01 5:55:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > My opinion is that length of time or number of champions is not a permanent > pass which requires all people of lesser tenure or titles to bow down and > worship or carte blanche accept everything said as gospel truth. Though > some > people think it should be. You will find some get quite offended if anyone > dares question them. The true leaders in the breed have the patience to > explain over and over until everyone gets it, realizes they don't know > everything, are constantly learning, and constantly sharing with everyone > they can to help. Without asking for anything in return. > > The better ones kindly explain things until the person questioning gets it > and usually makes their point, shares knowledge, and earns respect. Those > who have the tenure but not the true talent tend to lash out when questioned > as they sometimes lack the knowledge to back up what they preach or are just > too caught up in their own world to realize times have changed and with > changing trends and technology maybe the proper solutions/answers have > expanded or changed too. > > Maybe some just don't have the patience to be leaders in the breed. > > There are two types of people with lengthy experience in Cavalier breeding. > Those who have spent years constantly learning and upgrading their > knowledge, > always with the best interest of the Cavaliers in the forefront. > > And those who keep practicing the same thing they learned the first couple > years over and over with their heads in the sand to changing trends and > technologies. The volume of puppies and flooding of entries at shows slowly > but surely upping the number of champions with their name on them. This > type > is more eager to promote numbers of awards, sell high priced dogs on > co-ownerships to keep their name in the forefront, and solicit financed > judging assignments for travel and socializing, then they are the primary > welfare of the breed. These people have let their dogs as a priority slip > behind feeding their ego and maintaining their lifestyle and they now > exploit > these same dogs to that end. > > The former type gets listened to. The latter, people are finally getting > wise to. > > No flames please I am not putting anyone in either of the categories listed. > Only you know which one you truly belong to. > > And remember this is coming from someone who has a bit less then 6 years in > the breed so I certainly can't have any clue as to what I am talking about. > Could I. > > Dave > CastleMyst Cavaliers > http://members.aol.com/CMystCavs > > ========================================================= > "Magic Commands": > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > to start it up gain click here: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. 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