I'm sure you did Cathy as unbeknown to me it was one of your breeding VBG However I still consider your remarks uncalled and I take umbrage to them particularly as you identified overseas judges as being shall I be kind and say well primed rather than what you were implying that we are bent!
Annette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy J. Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Phoenix > I agree with you Annette on a lot of things here and I know not all the wins are > political. I certainly know mine were not. Most of the people I won under I had > no ideal who they were or what they liked. However, I do also know of a lot of > political wins happening. My letter was suppose to only go to Cynthia privately > but that is OK. > > I know when I am judging I look at the dogs and pick what I think is the best > one on that day and I don't even care if I hate the person showing that dog if > the dog is right he wins. I know there are a lot of other people who judge the > same way but not all of them. I wish they did. > > I did not mean anything against the overseas judges as the AKC can be just as > bad if not more so. However, mostly it is overseas judges that come to do the > CKCSC shows. By the way I sure liked who you put up when you were here. > > Thanks > Cathy > > Annette Jones wrote: > > > Cathy > > I am sorry to disagree with you and I am sure that most if not all of the UK > > judges on this list will agree with me. > > It matters not one jot with me who I socialise with pre a show where I am > > judging - the only thing I will not do is travel with an exhibitor. If you > > are doing the show circuit you get to know an awful lot of people and their > > dogs. Are you saying that those people should not show under you ? Because > > by implication you are saying that those known people/dogs are going to get > > preferential treatment. > > I reckon we would have a nil entry if people known to us were not to enter! > > VBG > > Your comment "some people have the judges bought long before they arrive in > > the US" I think is derogatory to overseas judges to say the least - have you > > not thought perhaps with the number of exports that there have been in the > > last few years that the judge might recognise type and admire that type of > > dog over here in the UK ?? > > > > You judge yourself - I assume that once in the middle of the ring you > > concentrate on the dogs before you and put up what you consider the best > > dog on the day whoever is handling it. I certainly hope so and I surely hope > > that every dog is totally unknown to you!!! > > > > Annette > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cathy J. Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Phoenix > > > > > Cynthia > > > I think you are being WAY to harsh on Cindy. I will bet you any amount of > > money > > > that those people have entered the show. I know Ted and Karin NEVER go to > > a show > > > without showing their dogs. Why are you being so mean to Cindy? > > > > > > The rules have always been for the judges not to have contact with people > > before > > > the show and we all know how political it can be. > > > > > > However, some people have the judges bought long before they arrive in the > > US. > > > And don't tell me they don't. And it seems more so in the past few years > > than > > > ever before. I think Mr. Watkins will do what he wants but it is not fair > > for the > > > other exhibitors to see our club members in a teaching seminar with one of > > the > > > weekends judges and then show under them. I would never do this because if > > my > > > dogs did win under that judge everyone would be talking about it and I > > like my > > > wins CLEAN. > > > > > > Cindy has been around far longer than you have and she has seen a lot more > > > political games played. She knows what she is talking about. She is not as > > naive > > > as some people think. She just does not let everyone know how smart she > > really > > > is. > > > > > > Why would COTW set up a seminar with the judge before he judges they never > > have > > > in the past. It just does not look right. And I have not recieved a > > premium list > > > yet. Who is sending them out? > > > > > > Cathy J. Gish > > > > > > "" wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/16/2002 8:33:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > > > I just was looking at the premium for the Phoenix show and I noticed > > > > > that the seminar on Friday is with the Judges and three of our members > > > > > who are showing their dogs the next day. > > > > Cindy, I think this is incorrect. As an active COTW member ( and former > > COTW > > > > Show Sec.)..and someone planning on going to this show, FYI...I > > know.....this > > > > seminar consists of the Saturday judge (English...Peter > > Watkins)...Barbara > > > > Garnett-Wilson (COTW President)...Karin Ostmann (USA) and Ted > > > > Eubanks(USA).......as former COTW Show Secretary, I can tell you that > > there > > > > is NO WAY you (or anyone else) can know for sure that any of these > > people > > > > (only three are qualified) have ENTERED the show...as 1) Entries have > > not > > > > closed and 2) only the COTW Show Secretary knows who has/has not > > entered.... > > > > So are you asking that they be refrained from showing?......or do you > > not > > > > want us to have this seminar...??? I personally know they had to be > > coerced > > > > into doing the seminar in the first place....for FREE. > > > > Why are you against it? Do you not trust the judges? If so, why enter > > in > > > > the first place? 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