Ok then I should have said SOME of the WINS are bought and paid for long before the show. Is that better. My appologies to you Annette and anyone who took offense to my post.
Thanks Cathy Annette Jones wrote: > I'm sure you did Cathy as unbeknown to me it was one of your breeding VBG > However I still consider your remarks uncalled and I take umbrage to them > particularly as you identified overseas judges as being shall I be kind and > say well primed rather than what you were implying that we are bent! > > Annette > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathy J. Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:20 AM > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Phoenix > > > I agree with you Annette on a lot of things here and I know not all the > wins are > > political. I certainly know mine were not. Most of the people I won under > I had > > no ideal who they were or what they liked. However, I do also know of a > lot of > > political wins happening. My letter was suppose to only go to Cynthia > privately > > but that is OK. > > > > I know when I am judging I look at the dogs and pick what I think is the > best > > one on that day and I don't even care if I hate the person showing that > dog if > > the dog is right he wins. I know there are a lot of other people who judge > the > > same way but not all of them. I wish they did. > > > > I did not mean anything against the overseas judges as the AKC can be just > as > > bad if not more so. However, mostly it is overseas judges that come to do > the > > CKCSC shows. By the way I sure liked who you put up when you were here. > > > > Thanks > > Cathy > > > > Annette Jones wrote: > > > > > Cathy > > > I am sorry to disagree with you and I am sure that most if not all of > the UK > > > judges on this list will agree with me. > > > It matters not one jot with me who I socialise with pre a show where I > am > > > judging - the only thing I will not do is travel with an exhibitor. If > you > > > are doing the show circuit you get to know an awful lot of people and > their > > > dogs. Are you saying that those people should not show under you ? > Because > > > by implication you are saying that those known people/dogs are going to > get > > > preferential treatment. > > > I reckon we would have a nil entry if people known to us were not to > enter! > > > VBG > > > Your comment "some people have the judges bought long before they arrive > in > > > the US" I think is derogatory to overseas judges to say the least - have > you > > > not thought perhaps with the number of exports that there have been in > the > > > last few years that the judge might recognise type and admire that type > of > > > dog over here in the UK ?? > > > > > > You judge yourself - I assume that once in the middle of the ring you > > > concentrate on the dogs before you and put up what you consider the > best > > > dog on the day whoever is handling it. I certainly hope so and I surely > hope > > > that every dog is totally unknown to you!!! > > > > > > Annette > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cathy J. Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Phoenix > > > > > > > Cynthia > > > > I think you are being WAY to harsh on Cindy. I will bet you any amount > of > > > money > > > > that those people have entered the show. I know Ted and Karin NEVER go > to > > > a show > > > > without showing their dogs. Why are you being so mean to Cindy? > > > > > > > > The rules have always been for the judges not to have contact with > people > > > before > > > > the show and we all know how political it can be. > > > > > > > > However, some people have the judges bought long before they arrive in > the > > > US. > > > > And don't tell me they don't. And it seems more so in the past few > years > > > than > > > > ever before. I think Mr. Watkins will do what he wants but it is not > fair > > > for the > > > > other exhibitors to see our club members in a teaching seminar with > one of > > > the > > > > weekends judges and then show under them. I would never do this > because if > > > my > > > > dogs did win under that judge everyone would be talking about it and I > > > like my > > > > wins CLEAN. > > > > > > > > Cindy has been around far longer than you have and she has seen a lot > more > > > > political games played. She knows what she is talking about. She is > not as > > > naive > > > > as some people think. She just does not let everyone know how smart > she > > > really > > > > is. > > > > > > > > Why would COTW set up a seminar with the judge before he judges they > never > > > have > > > > in the past. It just does not look right. And I have not recieved a > > > premium list > > > > yet. Who is sending them out? > > > > > > > > Cathy J. Gish > > > > > > > > "" wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/16/2002 8:33:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > I just was looking at the premium for the Phoenix show and I > noticed > > > > > > that the seminar on Friday is with the Judges and three of our > members > > > > > > who are showing their dogs the next day. > > > > > Cindy, I think this is incorrect. As an active COTW member ( and > former > > > COTW > > > > > Show Sec.)..and someone planning on going to this show, FYI...I > > > know.....this > > > > > seminar consists of the Saturday judge (English...Peter > > > Watkins)...Barbara > > > > > Garnett-Wilson (COTW President)...Karin Ostmann (USA) and Ted > > > > > Eubanks(USA).......as former COTW Show Secretary, I can tell you > that > > > there > > > > > is NO WAY you (or anyone else) can know for sure that any of these > > > people > > > > > (only three are qualified) have ENTERED the show...as 1) Entries > have > > > not > > > > > closed and 2) only the COTW Show Secretary knows who has/has not > > > entered.... > > > > > So are you asking that they be refrained from showing?......or do > you > > > not > > > > > want us to have this seminar...??? I personally know they had to > be > > > coerced > > > > > into doing the seminar in the first place....for FREE. > > > > > Why are you against it? Do you not trust the judges? If so, why > enter > > > in > > > > > the first place? You know that I am very close to some of these > > > > > people....and so are you..so I really question your question. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Cynthia Scanlan > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > > "Magic Commands": > > > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > > Search the Archives... > http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original > author. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.FlyingColorsCavaliers.com > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > "Magic Commands": > > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > Search the Archives... > http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original > author. > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > "Magic Commands": > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > > > -- > > http://www.FlyingColorsCavaliers.com > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > ========================================================= > "Magic Commands": > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > to start it up gain click here: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. Annette Jones wrote: > I'm sure you did Cathy as unbeknown to me it was one of your breeding VBG > However I still consider your remarks uncalled and I take umbrage to them > particularly as you identified overseas judges as being shall I be kind and > say well primed rather than what you were implying that we are bent! > > Annette > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathy J. Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:20 AM > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Phoenix > > > I agree with you Annette on a lot of things here and I know not all the > wins are > > political. I certainly know mine were not. Most of the people I won under > I had > > no ideal who they were or what they liked. However, I do also know of a > lot of > > political wins happening. My letter was suppose to only go to Cynthia > privately > > but that is OK. > > > > I know when I am judging I look at the dogs and pick what I think is the > best > > one on that day and I don't even care if I hate the person showing that > dog if > > the dog is right he wins. I know there are a lot of other people who judge > the > > same way but not all of them. I wish they did. > > > > I did not mean anything against the overseas judges as the AKC can be just > as > > bad if not more so. However, mostly it is overseas judges that come to do > the > > CKCSC shows. By the way I sure liked who you put up when you were here. > > > > Thanks > > Cathy > > > > Annette Jones wrote: > > > > > Cathy > > > I am sorry to disagree with you and I am sure that most if not all of > the UK > > > judges on this list will agree with me. > > > It matters not one jot with me who I socialise with pre a show where I > am > > > judging - the only thing I will not do is travel with an exhibitor. If > you > > > are doing the show circuit you get to know an awful lot of people and > their > > > dogs. Are you saying that those people should not show under you ? > Because > > > by implication you are saying that those known people/dogs are going to > get > > > preferential treatment. > > > I reckon we would have a nil entry if people known to us were not to > enter! > > > VBG > > > Your comment "some people have the judges bought long before they arrive > in > > > the US" I think is derogatory to overseas judges to say the least - have > you > > > not thought perhaps with the number of exports that there have been in > the > > > last few years that the judge might recognise type and admire that type > of > > > dog over here in the UK ?? > > > > > > You judge yourself - I assume that once in the middle of the ring you > > > concentrate on the dogs before you and put up what you consider the > best > > > dog on the day whoever is handling it. I certainly hope so and I surely > hope > > > that every dog is totally unknown to you!!! > > > > > > Annette > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cathy J. Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Phoenix > > > > > > > Cynthia > > > > I think you are being WAY to harsh on Cindy. I will bet you any amount > of > > > money > > > > that those people have entered the show. I know Ted and Karin NEVER go > to > > > a show > > > > without showing their dogs. Why are you being so mean to Cindy? > > > > > > > > The rules have always been for the judges not to have contact with > people > > > before > > > > the show and we all know how political it can be. > > > > > > > > However, some people have the judges bought long before they arrive in > the > > > US. > > > > And don't tell me they don't. And it seems more so in the past few > years > > > than > > > > ever before. I think Mr. Watkins will do what he wants but it is not > fair > > > for the > > > > other exhibitors to see our club members in a teaching seminar with > one of > > > the > > > > weekends judges and then show under them. I would never do this > because if > > > my > > > > dogs did win under that judge everyone would be talking about it and I > > > like my > > > > wins CLEAN. > > > > > > > > Cindy has been around far longer than you have and she has seen a lot > more > > > > political games played. She knows what she is talking about. She is > not as > > > naive > > > > as some people think. She just does not let everyone know how smart > she > > > really > > > > is. > > > > > > > > Why would COTW set up a seminar with the judge before he judges they > never > > > have > > > > in the past. It just does not look right. And I have not recieved a > > > premium list > > > > yet. Who is sending them out? > > > > > > > > Cathy J. Gish > > > > > > > > "" wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/16/2002 8:33:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > I just was looking at the premium for the Phoenix show and I > noticed > > > > > > that the seminar on Friday is with the Judges and three of our > members > > > > > > who are showing their dogs the next day. > > > > > Cindy, I think this is incorrect. As an active COTW member ( and > former > > > COTW > > > > > Show Sec.)..and someone planning on going to this show, FYI...I > > > know.....this > > > > > seminar consists of the Saturday judge (English...Peter > > > Watkins)...Barbara > > > > > Garnett-Wilson (COTW President)...Karin Ostmann (USA) and Ted > > > > > Eubanks(USA).......as former COTW Show Secretary, I can tell you > that > > > there > > > > > is NO WAY you (or anyone else) can know for sure that any of these > > > people > > > > > (only three are qualified) have ENTERED the show...as 1) Entries > have > > > not > > > > > closed and 2) only the COTW Show Secretary knows who has/has not > > > entered.... > > > > > So are you asking that they be refrained from showing?......or do > you > > > not > > > > > want us to have this seminar...??? I personally know they had to > be > > > coerced > > > > > into doing the seminar in the first place....for FREE. > > > > > Why are you against it? Do you not trust the judges? If so, why > enter > > > in > > > > > the first place? You know that I am very close to some of these > > > > > people....and so are you..so I really question your question. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Cynthia Scanlan > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > > "Magic Commands": > > > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > > Search the Archives... > http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original > author. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.FlyingColorsCavaliers.com > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > "Magic Commands": > > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > Search the Archives... > http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original > author. > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > "Magic Commands": > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > > > -- > > http://www.FlyingColorsCavaliers.com > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > ========================================================= > "Magic Commands": > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > to start it up gain click here: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. -- http://www.FlyingColorsCavaliers.com ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. 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