VBG correction Myra you are only competing against the winners of the classes - i.e. one from each breed. I forget how many there are in the Toy group in the US but lets say 20 - so you have a twenty to one chance in the group against 30 to one in the breed of taking BOB
Annette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > Annette, I agree with you. But....I wasn't talking about specialty shows. > I was talking about AKC shows, and the number is never anywhere near as > large. A good sized AKC show here may have 30 cavaliers entered and that is > the total for all classes and includes both genders. That is why I said > that a class win is not as meaningful as the breed win which is followed by > being shown in the toy group ring. The class win, which you may have won by > competing against 4-5 cavaliers is not as meaningful as a win in the group > ring where you have essentially competed against several hundred other toy > dogs. Myra > > > >From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:55:43 -0000 > > > >Sorry Myra I disagree! VBG It's at breed level the real competition is - if > >you beat a couple of hundred others of the same breed to me that is far > >better than beating one of every other breed in the Toy group. There it > >boils down very much to the knowledge of the judge and at the end of the > >day > >his/her personal preference - nothing to do with structure or movement - > >there are other breeds that have exactly the same problems or similar at > >any > >rate. > > > >Annette > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 5:57 PM > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > > > > > > > Look, everybody knows I am an idiot, and there are many things that I > >don't > > > know. However, this is something to ponder. The real "showing" isn't > >done > > > at a class level. It is done at a group level. For too many years, > > > cavaliers were judged in sort of a vacumn because they were judged only > > > against each other. It was almost like 'just go for the pretty head > >because > > > all the rear ends are so bad.' So, they didn't have to develop that > >kind > >of > > > structure that they needed to compete with a poodle, for instance. It > >is > > > important to remember that they are dogs. They need to be built like a > >dog. > > > They need to move like a well-built dog. Now for the last several > >years, > > > they have had to compete against other toy dogs in the group ring. > >Sure, > >we > > > see dogs in the ring that shouldn't be there. I've probably shown a > >couple > > > myself. I probably will again in the future just because of ignorance > >or > > > just because I feel like doing it. However.....those dogs will not ever > > > compete in a group ring. They will take their little ribbon home and > >they > > > may even make up their championship. They will not, however succeed in > >the > > > group ring. Also....if a dog places in group, you can no longer use the > > > excuse that it won because it was professionally handled. The huge > >majority > > > of dogs in the group ring are professionally handled. Not all....but > >the > > > majority. I'm not sure exactly what motivates me to show my dogs. I > >know > > > for sure it isn't greed. I guess it could be ego. The feeling I get > >when > > > one of my dogs wins in group, or Best Puppy in show or something like > >that > > > is the same feeling I used to get when my children performed at a piano > > > recital or something. I just feel proud of them, and I feel just a > >little > > > bit like bragging on them. Certainly not money motivated and not even > > > particularly fun. When my dog is in the show ring, I am very stressed > >about > > > it. I get very nervous. I'm so afraid he will make a mistake. Just > > > exactly like it was at the piano recital. So, is that Ego? I don't > > > honestly know. 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