Annette, I agree with you. But....I wasn't talking about specialty shows. I was talking about AKC shows, and the number is never anywhere near as large. A good sized AKC show here may have 30 cavaliers entered and that is the total for all classes and includes both genders. That is why I said that a class win is not as meaningful as the breed win which is followed by being shown in the toy group ring. The class win, which you may have won by competing against 4-5 cavaliers is not as meaningful as a win in the group ring where you have essentially competed against several hundred other toy dogs. Myra
>From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:55:43 -0000 > >Sorry Myra I disagree! VBG It's at breed level the real competition is - if >you beat a couple of hundred others of the same breed to me that is far >better than beating one of every other breed in the Toy group. There it >boils down very much to the knowledge of the judge and at the end of the >day >his/her personal preference - nothing to do with structure or movement - >there are other breeds that have exactly the same problems or similar at >any >rate. > >Annette >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 5:57 PM >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > > > > Look, everybody knows I am an idiot, and there are many things that I >don't > > know. However, this is something to ponder. The real "showing" isn't >done > > at a class level. It is done at a group level. For too many years, > > cavaliers were judged in sort of a vacumn because they were judged only > > against each other. It was almost like 'just go for the pretty head >because > > all the rear ends are so bad.' So, they didn't have to develop that >kind >of > > structure that they needed to compete with a poodle, for instance. It >is > > important to remember that they are dogs. They need to be built like a >dog. > > They need to move like a well-built dog. Now for the last several >years, > > they have had to compete against other toy dogs in the group ring. >Sure, >we > > see dogs in the ring that shouldn't be there. I've probably shown a >couple > > myself. I probably will again in the future just because of ignorance >or > > just because I feel like doing it. However.....those dogs will not ever > > compete in a group ring. They will take their little ribbon home and >they > > may even make up their championship. They will not, however succeed in >the > > group ring. Also....if a dog places in group, you can no longer use the > > excuse that it won because it was professionally handled. The huge >majority > > of dogs in the group ring are professionally handled. Not all....but >the > > majority. I'm not sure exactly what motivates me to show my dogs. I >know > > for sure it isn't greed. I guess it could be ego. The feeling I get >when > > one of my dogs wins in group, or Best Puppy in show or something like >that > > is the same feeling I used to get when my children performed at a piano > > recital or something. I just feel proud of them, and I feel just a >little > > bit like bragging on them. Certainly not money motivated and not even > > particularly fun. When my dog is in the show ring, I am very stressed >about > > it. I get very nervous. I'm so afraid he will make a mistake. Just > > exactly like it was at the piano recital. So, is that Ego? I don't > > honestly know. Myra > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. Myra Savant Gardengate Cavaliers _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author.
