HE has!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious
> But making that statement Annette is like saying that the dog who wins Best > In Show at Westsminster has only beaten six other dogs. Myra > > > > >From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:23:41 -0000 > > > >Same over here Myra except that we don't have points neverthe less you are > >only competing against one Pug, one Peke,one Charlie etc etc > >When Mollie won BPIS at the Three Counties show last year she was only > >competing against seven other puppy group winners, despite the fact that > >there would have been several hundred puppies entered over the three days > >of > >the show. That is why I said the odds were reduced at group level compared > >to at breed level > > > >Annette > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 11:38 PM > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > > > > > > > Things must be quite different in the UK from the US. Here, if your dog > > > beats the pug in group.....your dog is considered to have beaten all of > >the > > > pugs entered that day. He is awarded points based on how many pugs were > > > entered. He beat the pug who was considered the best pug entered, > >therefore > > > when he beats the pug, he beat the dogs that were beaten by that pug. > >Maybe > > > we are talking oranges and apples here. Different countries, different > > > situations. Myra > > > > > > > > > >From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > > > >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:11:00 -0000 > > > > > > > >VBG correction Myra you are only competing against the winners of the > > > >classes - i.e. one from each breed. I forget how many there are in the > >Toy > > > >group in the US but lets say 20 - so you have a twenty to one chance in > >the > > > >group against 30 to one in the breed of taking BOB > > > > > > > >Annette > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:32 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > > > > > > > > > > > > > Annette, I agree with you. But....I wasn't talking about specialty > > > >shows. > > > > > I was talking about AKC shows, and the number is never anywhere near > >as > > > > > large. A good sized AKC show here may have 30 cavaliers entered and > > > >that > > > >is > > > > > the total for all classes and includes both genders. That is why I > >said > > > > > that a class win is not as meaningful as the breed win which is > >followed > > > >by > > > > > being shown in the toy group ring. The class win, which you may > >have > > > >won > > > >by > > > > > competing against 4-5 cavaliers is not as meaningful as a win in the > > > >group > > > > > ring where you have essentially competed against several hundred > >other > > > >toy > > > > > dogs. Myra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > > > > > >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:55:43 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >Sorry Myra I disagree! VBG It's at breed level the real competition > >is > > > >- > > > >if > > > > > >you beat a couple of hundred others of the same breed to me that is > >far > > > > > >better than beating one of every other breed in the Toy group. > >There > >it > > > > > >boils down very much to the knowledge of the judge and at the end > >of > > > >the > > > > > >day > > > > > >his/her personal preference - nothing to do with structure or > >movement > > > >- > > > > > >there are other breeds that have exactly the same problems or > >similar > > > >at > > > > > >any > > > > > >rate. > > > > > > > > > > > >Annette > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 5:57 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, everybody knows I am an idiot, and there are many things > >that > > > >I > > > > > >don't > > > > > > > know. However, this is something to ponder. The real "showing" > > > >isn't > > > > > >done > > > > > > > at a class level. It is done at a group level. For too many > >years, > > > > > > > cavaliers were judged in sort of a vacumn because they were > >judged > > > >only > > > > > > > against each other. It was almost like 'just go for the pretty > >head > > > > > >because > > > > > > > all the rear ends are so bad.' So, they didn't have to develop > >that > > > > > >kind > > > > > >of > > > > > > > structure that they needed to compete with a poodle, for > >instance. > > > >It > > > > > >is > > > > > > > important to remember that they are dogs. They need to be built > > > >like > > > >a > > > > > >dog. > > > > > > > They need to move like a well-built dog. Now for the last > >several > > > > > >years, > > > > > > > they have had to compete against other toy dogs in the group > >ring. > > > > > >Sure, > > > > > >we > > > > > > > see dogs in the ring that shouldn't be there. I've probably > >shown > >a > > > > > >couple > > > > > > > myself. I probably will again in the future just because of > > > >ignorance > > > > > >or > > > > > > > just because I feel like doing it. However.....those dogs will > >not > > > >ever > > > > > > > compete in a group ring. They will take their little ribbon > >home > > > >and > > > > > >they > > > > > > > may even make up their championship. They will not, however > >succeed > > > >in > > > > > >the > > > > > > > group ring. Also....if a dog places in group, you can no longer > >use > > > >the > > > > > > > excuse that it won because it was professionally handled. The > >huge > > > > > >majority > > > > > > > of dogs in the group ring are professionally handled. Not > > > >all....but > > > > > >the > > > > > > > majority. I'm not sure exactly what motivates me to show my > >dogs. > > > >I > > > > > >know > > > > > > > for sure it isn't greed. I guess it could be ego. The feeling > >I > > > >get > > > > > >when > > > > > > > one of my dogs wins in group, or Best Puppy in show or something > > > >like > > > > > >that > > > > > > > is the same feeling I used to get when my children performed at > >a > > > >piano > > > > > > > recital or something. I just feel proud of them, and I feel > >just > >a > > > > > >little > > > > > > > bit like bragging on them. Certainly not money motivated and > >not > > > >even > > > > > > > particularly fun. When my dog is in the show ring, I am very > > > >stressed > > > > > >about > > > > > > > it. I get very nervous. I'm so afraid he will make a mistake. > > > >Just > > > > > > > exactly like it was at the piano recital. So, is that Ego? I > >don't > > > > > > > honestly know. 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