Hi, Michael,
You know, in a perfect world all of this could be done. Yes, breach of
contract can exist, fraud can exist, but when it comes down to it, the
bad breeders are relying upon the same thing as the pet shops; no pet
buyer wants to return their beloved pet even if it does have medical
problems.
I guess I should ask the pet buyers on this list; would you be willing
to surrender your pet in order to go after a breeder who defrauded you
or breached a contract with you? Would you be willing to get a refund
and put your dog back into the hands of the breeder who defrauded you?
If we could get that to happen, then the market for such breeding might
evaporate.
I see this as the crux of the problem. Pet owner loyalty.....that same
value that inspires some of us to breed better dogs.....is the same
quality on which the disreputable breeders are literally banking.
SIGH
Suze
"John P. Garrison" wrote:
>
> Karen Matters
>
> > Cathy,
> > I received an email a week ago from a man in Nevada wanting to know if I
> > could help him get papers. He bought two dogs for $3000 from Jane and
> > has not been able to get any papers. He calls her and she keeps telling
> > him that they are in the mail. He said he hopes he doesn't have to get
> > nasty and use force. I hope he does. Something needs to be done about
> > her.
> > Karen Matters
>
> Ok folks...here we go! I promised I would surprise us all and be silent but
> feel compelled to vent. People have a legal right to breed dogs for fun and
> profit. Where do we draw the line between the clever con artist with a good
> spin who speaks with authority (but either does not show at all, or with
> pitiable success when he/she does) and breeds several litters a year for
> profit - the sincere breeder who has a beautiful website to show off their
> beautiful dogs, who does their best to breed happy, healthy dogs and sell
> for pets/companions to carefully screened homes the ones that don't come up
> to their high standards for show - or the breeder that takes good care of
> their dogs, has lost the desire to show but likes the $$$ coming in and also
> has a website - and finally, the oft referred to puppy mills. Obviously, the
> latter is an anathema and the sincere breeder is an asset BUT if the clever
> con artist cannot be proven to have their dogs in bad conditions and their
> activities do not constitute fraud, it is a grey area both legally and
> morally. Personally, I have no respect for them and feel they ought to find
> another way to make $$$ but compared to getting up every morning and getting
> dressed, then driving to work where, due to little or no skills, they don't
> make much $$, they stay home and breed their dogs to their bitches and make
> a hefty profit. BUT it is their constitutional right. Here comes the advice
> part: if someone is misrepresenting the puppy to the buyer (fraud), or fails
> to provide papers (fraud), or the puppy is ill and the veterinatian will
> state in writing that it was incubating when it was bought, then something
> can be done. The buyers need to contact the state's attorney general, the
> town's better business bureau, the animal control officers in the area and
> do it over and over again. Someone sent me a good article for the last TRS,
> said to get the name of the mill owner's veterinarian that signed any/all
> certificates and take this vet's name to the state veterinary board. Make a
> fuss concentrating on the law. Fraud, sick dogs. The complaints will have to
> come from the 'injured' party i.e. the buyer. This is the only was in my
> view, anything can be done. Because cavaliers are so expensive, the Janes of
> the world will continue to thrive. Actually, when they are bred to death and
> no one will pay more than $250 for one, the millers will leave in droves to
> wreck havoc on the next dog du jour. The dogs-for-profit concept has
> bothered me as there will always be a percentage of immoral people who will
> slip into the mill mentality. God save the dogs. We all do our best but
> often it just isn't enough. I speak with the experience of someone who was
> successfully sued by a for-profit breeder. Perhaps someone could come up
> with a small sheet of responses to give to the buyer so they can go after
> the miller? Thanks people, I know you out there care deeply, the recent San
> Diego debacle proved that!
> Michael Allen
> Am. Cockers for over 50 years
>
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