From: Pamela Quisling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: advice please -
All but one of Rose's spells have been in the summer (I went back and looked). One was in the Fall so I counted it as "not summer" but it was hot. She wasn't always playing hard but most times she was coming in after a play bit in the yard. She is an avid squirrel hunter and will sit for hours looking at them in the trees. The rigidity is spectacular, no other word for it. Her stare is direct (she looks anxiously at me)...she drools but not a great deal. The tremors are more like an electrical movement, not like trembling. We always are very concerned when it happens and we record it and call the vet, but she recovers in a few minutes. I am encouraged by the fact that the seizures which started about 3 years ago have lessened in number per year. She had the biggest number of episodes the first year. I honestly thought someone was poisoning her, but there was no foaming at the mouth and she did not show any signs of difficulty with breathing although it was hard to tell since she is stiff as a board when this happens....once or twice she "paddled" her legs a little about 1/2 way through the episode. I think the color is probably just coincidence. I am not a breeder. I am going to go look for those articles, I swear, this afternoon and see if it mentions colour -- I can't remember. It is interesting. I mean the whole picture of the seizure is different. I have had a dog in the past (not a Cavalier) with epilepsy and it isn't like that dog's seizures, I had one (very old and not a Cavalier) who had strokes and seizures accompanied them, and it was entirely different, and I have had one Cavalier who suffered a minor head trauma and had a seizure and that was really scary and completely different as well. I wish I knew more, but I hope I have been some help anyway. Pam Q. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] advice please > We had a black and tan boy who did this also. His episodes were always in > the summer when he had been playing really hard outdoors on warm days. > Identical symptoms but none since he is the only dog in the household. Myra > > > >From: "rucav.smith31" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] advice please > >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:22:45 +0100 > > > >Hi Pam > >Just out of interest, my ruby boy's episodes are identical to what you > >describe. > >Lasts about 15minutes, the rigidity is spectacular, no loss of conciousness > >but is non responsive he stare is fixed. However, he is not on any > >medication whatsoever except for roundworm treatment. > >Is the colour just a coincidence I wonder, > >Best wishes, > >Ruth (UK) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Pamela Quisling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:26 PM > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] advice please > > > > > > > From: Pamela Quisling [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Re: Rose's seizures > > > Dear Susan, > > > I do have her on monthly heart worm medication. I will observe and > >see > > > if there seems to be a connection. Rose doesn't have a seizure once a > >month > > > though--only occassionally like every three months or sometimes the > > > intervals between the seizures are longer. She is six, I have had her > >for > > > about 3 years and she has had probably 6-8 seizures during the 3 years. > >Her > > > former owner (who was not the breeder) reported no seizure activity but > >she > > > may have missed one I suppose. > > > I am pretty certain that "Episodic Falling" is what Rose has and > >believe > > > me, I am thankful that it is not something worse. Although no seizures > >is > > > the best, these small but terrifying little episodes are over quickly > >and > > > she seems no worse for having had them. > > > Drooling is an interesting subject. I have another Ruby who drools > > > whenever she feels threatened or worried. If another dog visits for > > > instance or if we go for a walk. She drools like crazy. We have named > >her > > > problem "Jelly Fang", because it looks like she has long jelly like > >fangs > > > hanging down. I just wipe her face and it stops when she feels less > > > threatened. She is a bit less socialized than the others too, as she is > >shy > > > and sort of runs away and hides. But this behavior is not what Rose > >does > > > when she has a seizure. My drooler doesn't shake or become stiff. She > > > might tremble a bit but it is not a tremor, she can move and bark and > >run > > > around, she is just sort of slobbering. She is six also and is getting > > > better with age, I think. She is still timid, she just always has been. > > > Interesting that both are Rubys. I must go look up those articles. > > > Best to you, Pam Quisling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Susan Cochran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:24 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] advice please > > > > > > > > > > Pam, do you have her on monthly heartworm preventative and do these > > > seizures > > > > happen within a week of giving the monthly dose? This sounds very much > > > like > > > > something that happened to one of our pups and it stopped after they > > > changed > > > > heartworm medications. > > > > All the best, > > > > Susan Cochran > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Pamela Quisling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:41 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] advice please > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Pamela Quisling [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: advice please - seizures > > > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, I would like to tell you all about my > >experience > > > > with > > > > > my ruby girl, Rose. She has what was finally diagnosed as > >"Episodic > > > > > Falling." There were two medical articles written on "Episodic > >Falling > > > In > > > > A > > > > > Cavalier" and once I had these articles. I can't find them at the > > > > momentbut > > > > > I bet someone on this list has heard of this and may havethe > > > information. > > > > > Anyway, my experience with Rose and episodic falling, began > >about > >3 > > > > > years ago one summer, when Rose, coming in from an active romp in > >the > > > > yard, > > > > > suddenly fell to her side and became stiff as a board, she sort of > >shook > > > > or > > > > > trembled all over. She did not lose consciousness but she had a > >sort > >of > > > > > terrified look > > > > > in her eyes...she drooled but not excessively and she did not lose > > > control > > > > > of her bowels or bladder. The seizure lasted about 15 minutes in > >which > > > I > > > > > just held her quietly on my lap. After about 15 minutes she > >wiggled > > > down > > > > > and sort of hunched her back and scuttled into her crate. I watched > >her > > > > and > > > > > she was just lying there > > > > > normally for about 1/2 hour and then she was fine. > > > > > That summer Rose had about 3 episodes. She has continued to > >have > > > > these > > > > > spells on and off (usually during the Spring or Summer although > > > > > I don't think they are heat related) for the past 3 years. Each > >spell > > > has > > > > > been exactly the same except sometimes they are shorter in duration. > >The > > > > > longest was 15 minutes and the shortest was about 5 minutes. > > > > > Last year she only had one episode. That time she was just > >sitting > > > > > around doing nothing and it happened. This year she has had one so > >far > > > > but > > > > > it lasted only about 5 minutes. She never loses consciousness but > >she > > > > cannot > > > > > move and she is very rigid. My vets have the articles I mentioned > >and > > > > > apparently there is > > > > > no treatment per se for these episodes. The important thing is to > > > comfort > > > > > and to reassure her and keep the other dogs off her. I am not > >saying > > > that > > > > > this is > > > > > what happened to your Cavalier, I just wanted to tell you about what > >I > > > > > learned about Episodic Falling....apparently it is a very real > >problem > > > and > > > > a > > > > > form of epilepsy but is relatively mild and not nearly as > >threatening > >as > > > > the > > > > > true epilepsies. I sincerely hope this information helps you and > >that > > > > > someone > > > > > can find the articles I used to have (I will keep looking if anyone > >is > > > > > interested, let me know). Rose is otherwise a very healthy happy > > > Cavalier > > > > > and she did > > > > > not come from an importer....she was bred by a reputable breeder > >from > > > > > healthly parents. She is six years old now and has no heart murmurs > >and > > > > > no other symptoms of any kind. Hope this helps. > > > > > Pam Quisling, Nashville, TN > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Mary McHenry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:10 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] advice please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > susan, > > > > > > Thanks for the info. I will pass it along. > > > > > > > > > > > > i knew i could count on this list for good info. > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Susan Van Luchene > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:55 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] advice please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, you are more than likely correct about the seizures > > > this > > > > > > little Ruby had not being a 'one time thing'. 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