Ooops. In reading my post I left out a couple of very important words re extinguishing behavior. I wrote: >And overt punishment, whether vocal or physical, extinguishes >undesirable behavior, . . .
I should have written: And overt punishment, whether vocal or physical, doesn't always extinguish undesirable behavior, . . . Susan >From: Susan Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Is it cruel to leave one home alone? >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:46:26 +0000 > >Glenn, > >First you have to teach what you want. Yelling and saying "no" has no >meaning to the dog. Actually, yelling may encourage barking as they think >you're getting into a game with them. Before I share what I'm doing, let me >tell you that Keno is getting more vocal every day, so this "quiet" >training >is ongoing, but he does understand and really tries to control himself; >however, he can't go to a dog show, training anywhere without "talking" to >everyone and everything. But's he's learning, slowly, "sssh". When he >barks, >whines, etc., I say, quietly, "sssh." He responds to the sound by looking >at >me and being quiet for a brief moment. I immediately tell him good dog, >good >sssh. When he starts to "talk" again, and he will in his excitement, I >shush >him again. He is again quiet for a moment and gets praised. The third time >he starts making noise I'll give a sharp jerk on his collar with a more >emphatic "quiet". Ssssh is sort-of like a calming signal where "quiet" is a >that's enough command. This time he has to be quiet for a longer period of >time before getting praise. You can also do this around the house, using >negative reinforcement. When crating dogs during dinner or for any other >time my rule of thumb is all the screams and barking in the world will not >get me back in that room until the dog is quiet for at least 5 minutes in a >row. Never reinforce whining, crying, barking by giving in. You may have to >go back and retrain. For example, just put one dog in the crate with a >treat >(I always give a treat when crating), and leave the room. When she is quiet >for 5 minutes, go let her out without saying anything. Nothing. Just let >her >out and go about your business as if she isn't there. Never make a big deal >out of letting a dog out of a crate. If barking and crying is already a bad >habit, you will have to really be strong and wait her out. BAsically, what >you are doing is rewarding quiet and ignoring (actually negative >reinforcement as the dog is not getting attention for these behaviors). >Sooner or later, depending upon how determined your dog is, she will figure >out that when I scream, bark, etc., nothing happens; however, when I'm >quiet >I get what I want. As you increase the time in the crate with a quiet dog, >go in and tell her how good she is being quiet and give her another treat. >Then leave the room for 5 minutes. Then go back and let her out. It may >take >awhile, but your guys will learn, if you are consistent and always reward >in >some way desirable behavior (quiet) and never reward undesirable behavior >(noisy). And overt punishment, whether vocal or physical, extinguishes >undesirable behavior, especially if there has been no reward for doing what >you want. Like in children, sometimes any attention is better than none. > >Whining and crying at class can be very distracting. I would definitely get >her to learn to be quiet in the crate at home before crating at class with >all the distractions. Sometimes covering the crate so she can't see out and >leaving her with a chew toy at class can help. I personally prefer to take >both of my dogs to class because, due to my job and other demands on my >time, class is the only time my guys get out to train. Good luck. > >Susan Jackson > >>From: Glenn Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Is it cruel to leave one home alone? >>Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:03:17 EDT >> >>In a message dated 7/9/2002 3:08:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> >> > Whining >> > is not allowed! The Cavalier (Keno) is a complainer, my Boxer (Windy)is >> > not. >> > So Keno sometimes needs to be reminded "No whining." :-) >> > >> > Susan Jackson >> > >> >>That's the part I am having trouble with. I have never figured out how to >>stop whining and barking. Even when we put the dogs in the crates to eat >>dinner they whine and bark all through dinner. Charlie is a whiner,,, he >>cries and cries. Dixie is more a barker,,, and it's a bark like nails on >>a >>chalk board. 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