No, Jo Ann,
We didn't get pups from him. Though hard to say if it was the fact that
he was older or my bitch was a maiden. Not a perfect scenario. But we
do own his son. <VBG> Cooper (Trefoils Stirabout, son of Oliver) will
be out in the show ring in the near future.
Yes, agreed in dogs the progesterone is different than in horses or
humans......for sure that is true. My problem is that I don't think
that the labs work so well for any of them all the time. I would still
use progesterone testing, but I don't put as *much* faith in it as I did
before. I might now question an odd result and not stand on my head to
act on it.
Best,
Suze
bjcav wrote:
> The doctors that I have spoken with (vets not human doctors) have all agreed
> that dogs and cats are very different from horses etc...very difficult.
> Suze did you ever get puppies from the older heart clear dog you were so
> keen on?
> Jo Ann
>
>
>
>>Well, I've used the serum progesterone tests for warm live breedings
>>that didn't work. I have had really odd numbers come out of the
>>process. The lab is at Tuft's.....actually they have two labs there.
>>I'd get a 3ng reading early in the season (baseline) and rush to breed
>>only to find that on repeat testing the level was (where we thought it
>>should be) under 2. It was expensive to do repeatedly and didn't
>>improve the odds for us, I thought. In the case in which I am talking,
>>the stud is fertile as he sired a litter in April of 4 pups. I never
>>use the target (in house) tests, so I am talking about serum progesterone.
>>
>>Lee Jones was on Joybreeding for a while and told me that it is possible
>>to get strange results like that because some progesterone level can be
>>picked up which does not come from the follicles but from the lining? I
>>didn't quite say that correctly, but basically........it can happen that
>>way.
>>
>>It seemed to work better for me in horses, so I don't get it.
>>
>>Suze
>>
>>Myra Savant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The progesterone tests have worked exceptionally well for us, but as
>>>
> Leanne
>
>>>mentioned, they are the send away lab tests versus the in-house color
>>>change
>>>tests. We have timed breeding on the second day after the progesterone
>>>test
>>>reaches five, and had good sized healthy litters every time even with
>>>
> one
>
>>>breeding. These are natural AIs though, versus fresh chilled. So do
>>>
> you
>
>>>feel that it was the progesterone timing that didn't work or was it the
>>>fresh chilled sperm that didn't work? I hope you don't mind my
>>>
> questions,
>
>>>but this is an extremely interesting topic. Myra
>>>
>>>
>>>>And I thought I was the only one! Darned if after I abandoned the
>>>>target tests and went to serum progesterone if THAT didn't work either.
>>>>I know that the repro vets think I'm nuts, but I'm convinced that
>>>>Cavaliers just do it er........differently!
>>>>
>>>>Suze
>>>>
>>>>bjcav wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Me either Rosanne..no luck with progesterone tests either.
>>>>>Jo Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have had two bitches inseminated with chilled semen, both
>>>>>>
> vaginally.
>
>>>>>Both
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>were checked by vets for progesterone levels and inseminated at the
>>>>>>proper
>>>>>>time. Neither took. I know many people do it, but I have had no
>>>>>>
> luck
>
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>it personally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rosanne
>>>>>>
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