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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Fisher
>
>
> "John Keiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > I like the idea of borrowing Kaffe's AWT (you didn't say it
> > specifically, but it makes the most sense), simply because no one
> > has worked on it here
>
> There are three GNU Classpath people actively working on an AWT
> implementation in GTK+ -- Jim Blair, Chris Toshok, and myself. GNU
> Classpath's AWT will be compatible with Gnome. We've been making
> progress on a daily basis.
>
Oh, I was unaware anyone other than Chris was working on it. Cool, no need
to deal with Kaffe.
> > and theirs is very portable
>
> I was under the impression that their free AWT is based on low-level
> X11 calls. (that is, their proprietary DOS version is custom)
>
Really? Parts of that thing are non-GPL?
> > *including* Windows and DOS.
>
> GTK+ has been ported to Windows. Of course, porting to any
> proprietary operating system (especially ones that are extremely
> different from GNU systems) will never be a primary focus of the
> Classpath project.
>
Never is a strong word for a free software project. It depends *entirely*
on the priorities of the developers. If I am still working on Classpath,
Windows *will* be a primary OS once we get Unix fairly stable--that is, the
porting team will be actively releasing source into the main tree. That's
probably 4-5 months off, though, at the least.
Please, though, let's not get back into this argument yet, as it is divisive
and absolutely unnecessary until Classpath is stable and complete on Unix/X,
and really the definition of "primary focus" won't apply until Windows is
*also* complete and stable. So let's wait until I put my money where my
mouth is before we argue about this :)
> > un-splintering the community's resources.
>
> I really don't see the community's resources as being splintered.
> Transvirtual is working on their libs, and free software hackers are
> working on the GNU Classpath libs. :) Transvirtual is motivated by the
> fact that they can relicense their code base for proprietary use and
> modification -- they of course can't do that if they start accepting
> outside code.
>
So has Tim been blowing you off when you talk about this, or are you not
interested in working with them? I personally don't care yet, we have too
much work to do to deal with any of this political crap. I figure it will
all hit the fan when we port to Kaffe; *then* we find out what the fallout
is. I think many Kaffe developers will move over to Classpath at that point
if the two class libraries have not yet combined.
Is Tim still lurking on this list? Maybe he can shed some light on what is
and isn't GPL in Kaffe, and why we aren't working together.
Final question: does anyone here know just how active the Kaffe classlib
development team is? Are they still doing work?
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> Paul Fisher * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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