Hi people! Sean, thanks for your landscape description of Clojure world. I'm a lurker in this list, since +-2009. In the past year, I was showing Clojure in programmer talks, using my Windows machine, and I have no major problem, using plain command line with clojure jar, and then, lein. I don't use Clojure for serious work, yet.
But I want to add something: - The machine distribution you describe, is approximately equal to I found when I talk about Node.js (again, using my Windows machine). - But the node.js world, has a simple install for Linux, Mac/OS, and Windows. - There is few friction in Windows world for Node.js (at least, for development). Even native modules can be downloaded and compiled automatically at local environment. - NPM (node package manager) is a beautiful tool. Maybe, the best package manager I met. After my Node.js experience, I expect the same out-of-the-box development experience. I'm a bit oldie: I want to program, not struggle with config mess. Again, I had no problem with clojure experience. But I only play with it. I put my Node.js experience as an example of multiplaform dev experience. Maybe, current Clojure status is the same. Angel "Java" Lopez @ajlopez gh:ajlopez On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Sean Corfield <seancorfi...@gmail.com>wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Jules <julesjac...@gmail.com> wrote: > > vemv, here is a file describing my Clojure install experience: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/ln2ek5f5n47qnl1/clojureinstall.odp > > > > How should I continue? And where would a beginner find that information? > > The problem is the Clojure world, for the most part, is all Mac and > Linux - Windows is very much a second class citizen that very few > Clojurians use at all. I surveyed the Bay Area Clojure Meetup members. > 53 responded. Just 3 of them said they used Windows. Go to a Clojure > conference and it'll be mostly Macs and almost all of the rest will be > running Linux. > > That means all the tools, all the instructions, all the thinking, is > focused on the command line and comes from a world where developers > know that installed software has to go on your path, which usually > means editing a dot file in your home directory, updating the PATH > variable and sourcing the dot file to pick up the changes. It also > means that the primary Clojure website is aimed at those kind of > developers and, more specifically, aimed at experienced developers on > those platforms who can pick thru the minimalist information and > variety of links scattered everywhere. The fact is: clojure.org is NOT > beginner friendly :( > > Leiningen - the primary build tool - is a shell script. Clojure is a > library - a JAR file - and using Clojure relies (under the hood) on a > local Maven repository and then declaring and fetching dependencies > from various known repositories. Leiningen makes all that much simpler > than the raw tools. But it doesn't make it as simple as most Windows > users expect. > > Having set up a dozen or so Clojure development environments on a > variety of Mac, Linux and Windows, here's what I recommend for > Windows: > > * Start with GOW - Gnu on Windows - so that you have the basic Linux > toolset that is so familiar to most Clojurians: > https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/downloads > * It installs curl and wget (and a bunch of other very useful stuff) > and adds it to your path directly! Read more here: > https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/wiki > * Download the Leiningen Windows batch file. I put mine in C:\LEIN and > then added C:\LEIN to my Path environment variable (in the system > environment variables) > * Start a new cmd shell window (or Powershell if you're that way > inclined) and type: lein self-install > > At least at this point you can create new Clojure projects, edit > project.clj with your favorite editor to add dependencies, and use > lein repl in a cmd shell to experiment with those libraries. > > As others have said, try Clooj if you really have no idea about the > command line or the Java ecosystem. Try LightTable once you've > installed Leiningen and created a project to play with. > > If you're a Java developer on Windows, you're probably using Eclipse > or IntelliJ so install the Clojure plugin and use that. > > If you're brave, try Emacs - that's what most Clojurians use and it > really does have the most integrated overall workflow, especially with > a built-in shell, IRC client and various other goodies. > -- > Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ > > "Perfection is the enemy of the good." > -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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