3.0.1... On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Hernan Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Que version de firefox? Yo tengo la 3, pero según tengo entendido la 2 tiene > un muy mal manejo de memoria en lo que es javascript (la 3 la mejora pero no > llega a ser un gc generacional)... > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Andres Valloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Uso de memoria de firefox... >> >> Antes de correr: 71036k >> Primera corrida: 73364k, pico de 116364k, score 141. >> Segunda corrida (refresh): 70508k, pico de ~124000k, score 138. >> Tercera corrida (refresh): 69288k, pico de ~114000k, score 140. >> Cuarta corrida (refresh): 74096k, pico de ~116000k, score 138. >> >> Esto es con un firefox recien empezado y solo con gmail puesto. Raro... >> >> Andres. >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Hernan Wilkinson >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > memory.... (leaks...) >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Andres Valloud >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> En Firefox la primera vez me dio 143, la segunda 134, la tercera 131 y >> >> la cuarta 130... ?!... >> >> >> >> Andres. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Hernan Wilkinson >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Para aquellos que estén interesados en la performance habran esta >> >> > página >> >> > en >> >> > los distintos browsers: >> >> > http://code.google.com/apis/v8/run.html >> >> > Lo que me da a mi es: >> >> > Chrone (V8): 1329 >> >> > FireFox: 142 >> >> > Safari: 112 >> >> > Explorer: jaja, luego de preguntarme si quiero dejar corriendo el >> >> > script >> >> > porque está haciendo lento el navegador... un calomitoso: 24 >> >> > En fin... >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Hernan Wilkinson >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Quizá me equivoqué... en http://code.google.com/apis/v8/design.html >> >> >> hacen >> >> >> referencia a Self y Smalltalk, por fin! >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Hernan Wilkinson >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> No te entiendo por que decis que nos sabes si creerle... >> >> >>> Yo acabo de bajar Chrone y realmente es mucho más veloz que el >> >> >>> Firefox... >> >> >>> la interface de Gmail vuela... >> >> >>> Nuevamente se puede ver como Smalltalk y Self cambiaron la >> >> >>> programación >> >> >>> para siempre, lástima que ahora será JavaScript quien se lleve >> >> >>> todos >> >> >>> los >> >> >>> laureles (o por lo menos parece que eso sucederá) >> >> >>> Hernan. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:12 PM, GallegO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Interesante... no se que opinan, tampoco se si creerle a Dave... >> >> >>>> dice >> >> >>>> despues de tanto tiempo.... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Saludos >> >> >>>> GallegO >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -------- Mensaje original -------- >> >> >>>> Asunto: Chrome and V8 >> >> >>>> Fecha: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:14:32 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >>>> De: Dave Griswold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>> Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>>> Para: Strongtalk-general <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Hi everyone, >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> It's been a while, but now that Google has announced Chrome and >> >> >>>> V8, I >> >> >>>> can finally make a little clearer a major reason why I haven't >> >> >>>> been >> >> >>>> pushing Strongtalk development for quite a while: Chrome's new >> >> >>>> JavaScript engine V8. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> The V8 development team has multiple members of the original >> >> >>>> Animorphic team; it is headed by Lars Bak, who was the technical >> >> >>>> lead >> >> >>>> for both Strongtalk and the HotSpot Java VM (as well as a huge >> >> >>>> contributor to the original Self VM). I think that you will find >> >> >>>> that V8 has a lot of the creamy goodness of the Strongtalk and >> >> >>>> Self >> >> >>>> VMs, with many big architectural improvements: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> * open source >> >> >>>> * will run (eventually) on Windows, Linux, and Mac >> >> >>>> * dynamically JITs to native code >> >> >>>> * can run completely independently from the browser >> >> >>>> * generates hidden classes behind the scenes, since javascript >> >> >>>> doesn't >> >> >>>> have them (very reminiscent of the 'maps' used in the Self VM). >> >> >>>> * is multi-threaded from the ground up, with the ability to share >> >> >>>> VM >> >> >>>> overhead between different OS processes. >> >> >>>> * has even smaller object headers than in Strongtalk, making small >> >> >>>> object overhead even smaller >> >> >>>> * kick-ass compacting, non-conservative garbage collector >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> The really big deal here is the fundamentally multi-threaded, >> >> >>>> multi- >> >> >>>> process nature of the VM. That is something that we don't really >> >> >>>> have >> >> >>>> the ability to just hack into the Strongtalk VM; it would involve >> >> >>>> practically an entire rewrite. Plus, expect a lot of >> >> >>>> architectural >> >> >>>> improvements in the source code based on experience with Self, >> >> >>>> Strongtalk and Java Hotspot VMs. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I think these properties will rapidly make V8 the dominant VM for >> >> >>>> dynamic languages. It ought to make a great platform for >> >> >>>> Smalltalk. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Since I am not a Googler, and they are so secretive, I am not yet >> >> >>>> privy to all the gory details, but I suspect that it probably >> >> >>>> won't >> >> >>>> use type-feedback like Strongtalk, which would be the one big >> >> >>>> negative >> >> >>>> (and would mean that it wouldn't be as fast as Strongtalk). >> >> >>>> However >> >> >>>> I >> >> >>>> don't know that for sure, and in any case it will be open source, >> >> >>>> which means that it might be a nice platform to add type-feedback- >> >> >>>> based inlining to if they don't do it. At any rate, it *does* JIT >> >> >>>> to >> >> >>>> native code, so it will be far faster than Squeak, and probably a >> >> >>>> lot >> >> >>>> faster than Visualworks as well. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> We'll have to see what the details are when the code comes out, >> >> >>>> but >> >> >>>> the release of the V8 VM is the beginning of a whole new era for >> >> >>>> dynamic languages (Smalltalk, Ruby, Python, etc). >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Let the flood of fast new dynamic language implementations begin! >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > >
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