You know, perhaps what's needed is for the community to develop NEW protocols. The 
internet has slowly become co-opted by business interests. What passes for free 
exchange of information these days is pop-up ads, sold-out search engines, and the 
emergence of propritory protocols (AOL, MSN, etc).
With new protocols, could the community control communication instead of 
gov't/business ?

Shane

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Bruseker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:57 am
Subject: RE: (clug-talk) Will Canada's ISPs become spies?

> > I find the most offensive part the extensive logging of sites 
> visited.> Why should my upstream provider be keeping track of 
> which websites I've
> > visited for the past 6 months? To combat terrorism? that's just the
> > excuse we've now become accustomed to. I feel invaded just 
> thinking about
> > it.
> >
> Personally I have a bigger problem with this part:
> 
> "Another section of the proposal says the Canadian Association of 
> Chiefs of
> Police recommends "the establishment of a national database" with 
> personalinformation about all Canadian Internet users."
> 
> Holy Big Brother, Batman.  So, in order to use the Internet I need to
> register with the police the same way a sex offender does?  They 
> just assume
> I'm going to do something bad?  So much for presumption of 
> innocence.  At
> least they can argue that a sex offender has a prior history, but 
> suddenlyI'm a potential criminal because I touched a keyboard?  
> Just imagine if the
> Recording Industry Association of America (or whatever the Canadian
> equivalent is, though we tend to just let the US do what they want 
> in our
> country) got their hands on that database - *knock* *knock* "Hi, 
> we're from
> the RCMP, we understand you swap MP3s, we're here to take your 
> computer."This will go way beyond just "combating terrorism".  
> Will you need to show
> an "Internet user's license" at an internet cafe before they'll 
> let you on
> the computers?  Will businesses have to register each of their 
> staff?  Will
> the businesses then become part of the grand scheme and also have 
> to monitor
> their staff for "bad surfing"?  (Some already do, but many don't).
> 
> Like the story says, we have until Nov 15 to email la-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
> our thoughts.  Also remember it's postage-free to send a letter to 
> yourmember of parliament at
> 
> House of Commons
> Parliament Buildings
> Ottawa, Ontario
> K1A 0A6
> 
> or go to http://www.parl.gc.ca/ to find your representative's 
> email address
> (general format is [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Stephen 
> Harper's is
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], to use my own riding as an example).
> 
> Ian
> 
> 

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