If you go and make a new protocol, then you will be seen as the next
AOL. Since it would not be compatible with the Internet, you would be
seen to have the "proprietary" format. And might I remind you that the
Internet was created by hackers, so there would be nothing to stop
corporations from having a large presence on any free network.

Jesse

On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 13:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You know, perhaps what's needed is for the community to develop NEW protocols. The 
>internet has slowly become co-opted by business interests. What passes for free 
>exchange of information these days is pop-up ads, sold-out search engines, and the 
>emergence of propritory protocols (AOL, MSN, etc).
> With new protocols, could the community control communication instead of 
>gov't/business ?
> 
> Shane
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ian Bruseker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:57 am
> Subject: RE: (clug-talk) Will Canada's ISPs become spies?
> 
> > > I find the most offensive part the extensive logging of sites 
> > visited.> Why should my upstream provider be keeping track of 
> > which websites I've
> > > visited for the past 6 months? To combat terrorism? that's just the
> > > excuse we've now become accustomed to. I feel invaded just 
> > thinking about
> > > it.
> > >
> > Personally I have a bigger problem with this part:
> > 
> > "Another section of the proposal says the Canadian Association of 
> > Chiefs of
> > Police recommends "the establishment of a national database" with 
> > personalinformation about all Canadian Internet users."
> > 
> > Holy Big Brother, Batman.  So, in order to use the Internet I need to
> > register with the police the same way a sex offender does?  They 
> > just assume
> > I'm going to do something bad?  So much for presumption of 
> > innocence.  At
> > least they can argue that a sex offender has a prior history, but 
> > suddenlyI'm a potential criminal because I touched a keyboard?  
> > Just imagine if the
> > Recording Industry Association of America (or whatever the Canadian
> > equivalent is, though we tend to just let the US do what they want 
> > in our
> > country) got their hands on that database - *knock* *knock* "Hi, 
> > we're from
> > the RCMP, we understand you swap MP3s, we're here to take your 
> > computer."This will go way beyond just "combating terrorism".  
> > Will you need to show
> > an "Internet user's license" at an internet cafe before they'll 
> > let you on
> > the computers?  Will businesses have to register each of their 
> > staff?  Will
> > the businesses then become part of the grand scheme and also have 
> > to monitor
> > their staff for "bad surfing"?  (Some already do, but many don't).
> > 
> > Like the story says, we have until Nov 15 to email la-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
> > our thoughts.  Also remember it's postage-free to send a letter to 
> > yourmember of parliament at
> > 
> > House of Commons
> > Parliament Buildings
> > Ottawa, Ontario
> > K1A 0A6
> > 
> > or go to http://www.parl.gc.ca/ to find your representative's 
> > email address
> > (general format is [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Stephen 
> > Harper's is
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED], to use my own riding as an example).
> > 
> > Ian
> > 
> > 
> 

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