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On Tuesday 24 September 2002 10:28, you wrote:
> Some of the technicians have told me off the record that when a copy
> isn't available, they do re-install the same version of Windows, realizing
> that they are breaking the licence terms.
if such things go on, it really ought to be reported. respecting the licensing
terms of others is important if we wish our own licensing terms to be
similarly respected.
> None of them have used Linux but
> they sure have heard about it. I stopped encouraging them to visit CLUG
> once I realized how swamped they were.
sounds counterproductive. have they considered having some CLUG people visit
them instead? have a coffee in their shop and talk about their goals and
needs?
> > Does are target "market" want to "learn Linux", or
> > just get some tasks done?
>
> This is a chicken and egg question.
i don't follow you, where's the chicken/egg?
> I think the question I was leading
> towards was "After Linux is installed, who is going to support the
> people we help? Is it possible to create seminars that can help those
> who want to help themselves?"
if properly set up, the support required should be minimal to say the least.
in fact, a simple set of "cheat sheets" would probably be more than enough
for those with basic computer literacy, and an hour or two walk-through for
those who don't or would prefer the confidence booster.
past that i see a vibrant email list here, and a silly amount of online
resources elsewhere.
> Not to evade the question, but perhaps this
> can help: The C.R.S. "markets" their services to other societies.
what do you mean by "markets" exactly? promotes their volunteer services, or
engages in some sort of transaction, or?
> The C.R.S. is currently involved with projects with 16 organizations and
> counting. They are short on volunteers and long on requests. They
> are willing to work with other societies who already have systems and
> programs in place to facilitate their own operations. They are not
> interested in creating new systems or doing computer research. Their
> financial resources and time are limited. You said it: "Minimalist."
hm. i'm seeing conflicting ideas in this paragraph? "they need volunteers for
their programs", "they'll only work with those who have things for their own
people to do". or am i misreading this paragraph?
> > We (CLUG/Recycling) need to decide who/what is our
> > intended market: Schools etc with LTSP, or
>
> If CLUG were able to create its own projects, it would be easy to invite
> other groups or societies to see what Linux has to offer. New ideas
CLUG creates its own projects by someone stepping up and doing it. CLUG isn't
a faceless machine of energy, it is a name beneath which those who can and
desire to can do things.
kind of like Free software in that way.
> As it stands, it is difficult to convince other groups to work with us,
> when we have trouble within our own group organizing an Installfest
> or seminars for newbies.
first off, while our seminars have been lagging, i don't know how much trouble
we had in organizing the last few installfests or other such events.
secondly, if they want help, they should perhaps think about making their
needs known and extend offers for US to join THEM in THEIR efforts since such
things are THEIR specialty rather than expecting US to do so. it seems that
there is a poor expectation here involving each group to do what the other
specializes in: we have people who know about computers and care about such
things, they have the programs and ability to engage them in place.
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Aaron J. Seigo
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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler"
- Albert Einstein
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