First of all I would like to thank you Sawn for your constructive criticism. I do appreciate your comments. It's much better than trying to tear a strip off me, as I don't easily back down from a fight. As was said earlier, we are not trying to sell anything and not all of us are pros. I did get a little nervous up there, as I am not used to public speaking. However I think that as I get more experience with doing presentations I will get better. Practice makes perfect :-). As for the issue of the controversial images, I can see that I am outnumbered on this one. Maybe it's my low moral fibers, but please believe me when I say that I honestly did not think that the images would offend anyone. If I did offend anyone with the presentation, I am sorry. So here is my dog bone: I have censored the presentation and re-uploaded it to the web. The two controversial images were removed. The EOG image now sports a picture of Solar Spartan turbine, and the Balsa image was replaced with a shot of 1.2.1. Please feel free to do what you wish with the presentation. You can find it here: http://www3.telus.net/public/klinej/gnome2-2.sdd.gz
Good day, Jesse Quoting Shawn Grover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Jesse, I was at the presentation and it was my first visit to a CLUG > meeting. Overall, I thought your presentation was fairly well done (but > you > need to face the audience more often and not talk to the screen - :D > sorry, > I have some instructor training...). > > With regards to the images, while I think they were tactful (the women > portrayed were decently covered, and the pictures could be considered > artistic and tactful poses), I have to agree with the consensus - from a > business point of view, the images were inappropriate. From a personal > point of view, I enjoyed them - but would never use them in a public > presentation unless I were promoting bikinis. > > I think the big thing is to keep focused on the issue of the presentation, > unfortunately the images had nothing to do with the topic and actually > detracted from the presentation a little. > > Aaron, I don't think the fact that there are fewer women than men in the > tech fields has much to do with a "boys club mentality". I think it has > more to do with the fact that there are fewer women in math related fields > - > more because a womans brain does work a bit differently than mens, and as I > understand it, most women do not understand the math and/or logic required. > (disclaimer - that is simply my own observation based on my own experiences > with women in the field, and a few reports I have read over time). > > On the other hand, I'm wouldn't be surprised if a woman in the audience had > taken exception. > > So Jesse, you did good, but there are areas that can be improved - please > take this as the constructive criticism it's intended as. > > Shawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron J. Seigo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:04 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: (clug-talk) some quick notes > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 09 October 2002 12:37, Jesse Kline wrote: > > > > call other OSes by their real names? should we not avoid > presentations > > > > that contain more female skin than is usually held to be in "good > > > > taste"? > > > > OK maybe all the hardcore porn has desensitized me, but I don't think > > any of the images were outside the realm of "good taste". I think this > > work for a respectable tech firm and put those pix in a presentation to > show > > to the clients. watch how fast your boss fires you (or at the very least > reprimands you, likely removing you from client relations altogether). > > so yes, they were outside the realm of good taste given the context. > > > has been blown (no pun intended) out of proportion. > > I would also like to remind you of what the great man Al Bundy once > > said, since the beginning of time, sex sells. > > al bundy is a fictitious charicature of white male stupidity. taking him on > as > a figurehead in your defense is probably counterproductive to your case. > > of course, unless your point was that stupid and insensitive men would > agree > > that the pictures were fine. that i would agree with. > > > Lets face it, even in this > > world full of Feminists and Liberals, this statement still holds true. > > the point is that such material does offend and allienate a large sector of > > the populace and that reflects upon CLUG. we learned nothing about your > presentation topic from those pictures, so losing them wouldn't have hurt a > > thing, while the pictures you presented could very well be interpreted as > objectifying, demeaning and misogynistic. these are not things CLUG should > be > faced with being associated with, for a myriad of reasons, including: > > - potential for legal action > - respect for those who find such things offensive > - not giving fodder to those who would paint Linux in an unsavory light > - keeping the focus on technology, in particular Linux and Free software > > > Just look at the majority of beer commercials, they use good looking > > women to sell their product to young-mid aged males. > > good thing we aren't selling beer or selling to their target market. in > fact, > we aren't even selling. we're promoting and supporting a specific set of > technologies. > > > This would also describe a majority of the Linux population. > > hmmm.. i wonder why this is the case? (hint: because women are actively > alienated from the technology world by the Boys Club mentality surrounding > all things technical.) > > truly sad is that this even has to be brought up at all. =/ > > - -- > Aaron J. Seigo > GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 > > "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" > - Albert Einstein > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9o9Tc1rcusafx20MRAiPuAKCFoEh5/f8Bdxp+B9uUMIXWIH+HSQCdEGkf > B7qOtR9+XqJadwRLqIP1KzU= > =rfvp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >
