I think the CC problem is at your end. (Though paying more attention at
mine would eliminate it as well).
I just hit reply. Both you, and CLUG-talk show up in the reply to. I never
even looked before. I just hit reply.
Kev.
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From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: (clug-talk) some quick notes
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ai-eeee!
to everyone: please stop cc'ing me on every reply! i am subscribed. i will
get
your email just fine through clug-talk. cc'ing me won't get it to me faster
or make me consider it with more thought. it just makes my clug folder grow
twice as fast. thanks.
> do not expect a perfect answer. I do not expect the level of support or
> professionalism that I'd expect from a Paid support venue. What I do
this isn't about professionalism. it's about respect. there are elements of
the linux community who happen to be extremeley hypocritical about this.
they
jump all over someone when they misspell or mispronounce or misstate
something linux related in a linux-unfriendly article/talk, but then they
turn around and do the same thing back quite purposefully!
it's no surprise many tech pros look at that and view Linux as a hobbyist's
toy for the socially maladjusted.
> it always right? Speaking from experience, no it isn't. I believe you
> shot me down on the very first post I ever made here.
and i did it without calling you names. =) which is the point.
> And if I'm not mistaken, the second as well
seems it was mark the second time, not me.
>. But I'm still here. I suspect others are in
> similar situations. It's my personality that means if Kevin sends a
> message, it'll be longwinded. It's a piece of my personality that will
> cause my nose to wrinkle at the sound of "Let's just run Microsoft", and
> that will be reflected in my posts. Other people have different attitudes
> about it. And that will show. I don't think it's god or bad. I just
> think that it is. People are here at least as much for camaradrie as for
> support help requests.
of course ... and one can have all this and still be respectful for others.
> I can understand that it makes us look a bit less professional, and I
> totally agree. But so what?
as i said in my original email, if you don't care if anyone else ever runs
linux, keep it up. if you do care that people still say "Let's just run
Microsoft" then you may want to consider modifying your habits.
> Is micro$oft really any thing except shorthand for
it's also shorthand (in the minds of some, primarily those who use Windows)
for: "I'm an immature Linux geek, which perfectly represents Linux. You
professional people keep using software that is respectable."
> Nobody is going to come to this site looking for Windows help.
people who use windows come here looking for linux help.
> Why work to please someone who isn't part of our target audience?
two reasons: some of them are part of our "target audience" (e.g. those who
are just getting into Linux) and to be more friendly to those who are
considering becoming part of our target audience.
i've spoken with "windows people" who have no interest in trying Linux due
to
the shoddy attitudes of the boosters that surround it. they see it as being
a
sign of the maturity of the software. we always say that Linux is developed
and supported by the community around it right? well, when the community
seems immature and spiteful, that reflects upon the OS itself. we've made
that connection in their mind (Linux <-> community) and people follow it to
its logical conclusion.
> And REALLY, is it anything new for it to be called Winblows? Is that
"well, we've always beaten up the skinny kid, why should we stop now?"
how about: because it's the right thing to do.
> REALLY going to offend anyone?
yes.
> Just call me RMS the second...
even RMS respects that which he speaks out against.
how hard is it to simply type MS, Microsoft, Windows, etc... knowing that
you'll be helping instead of hurting? one would think that after the
10,000th
time you've seen the pun it would cease to be amusing. one would also think
it obvious that no one will take you seriously.
again: if you don't care about how people think about Linux, go ahead.
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Aaron J. Seigo
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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler"
- Albert Einstein
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