Nick W wrote:
> all kinds of tools at your disposal, but SSH/Telnet can do some real nasty 
> stuff if put into the wrong hands. As was brought up before, if they allow 

I am unaware of the real nasty stuff that can be done with an ssh client
like PuTTY, can you elaborate?  I know it could be used for unrestricted
network access if you have an account on some remote server.  but other
then that?  I don't see how it could circumvent any local security
restrictions.

> We understand your plight and it sucks. That said, I think you need to chill 
> out. Your posts are borderline flames, and that'll get you nowhere fast on 
> this list. Of course I speak only for myself, but Im sure others feel the 
> same. I apologise if this post hits a nerve, I needed to speak my mind.

since you spoke up, I will too:

Andrew, I apologize for the misunderstanding I feel you have recieved.
I applaud your assertiveness and the level of maturity you've shown for
someone of your age, I also encourage you to work to improve your
communications skills.  Keep following your own path, keep questioning,
keep learning, keep growing, and don't let yourself be brought down by the
impediments you will face.

To the list, I feel Andrew's assertiveness and inexperience has been
misunderstood.  I think both Andrew's messages and some of the replies
have shown a communications barrier.  Andrew has not helped his cause due
to lacking details, his inexperience with this type of forum, and the
frustration resulting from the communications problems.  The replies to
his message have shown a lack of understanding of what it is like to be
someone of his of his age, his mind type, and in jr high, which is 
understandable.  Worse though, is the fact that some of the replies were
clearly written based on poor assumptions and with a lack of comprehension
of his messages.  Of course, some of these assumptions would be
unnecessary had Andrew's emails been more detailed.

In this case, I believe that Andrew likely knew where his best chances
lie, and he hoped to enlist members from this list to help him with this
course of action.  I happily admit that I sent an email, which was I felt
polite, professional, courtious, and informational.  I have been a
volunteer at one of the schools in Calgary over the last 5 years, and thus
was able to give CBE references.  Given this fact, I feel I have the right
and the status to send an appropriate email.  I hope it helped.  If not,
it certainly did not hurt anyone.

Although this issue is not much of a Linux issue, I do see some parallels
between that of a linux user, and that of an advanced student with an
active mind.  All of us, at some point, have felt stifled and trapped by
the windows environment that was built for the dumb-masses, and have taken
action to fix the situation by making changes.  As a student, I often felt
trapped and stifled by the school environment that was built for the
dumb-masses, and I often took actions to attempt to fix the situation.
These changes sometimes lead to more problems, but I would much rather see
a person in this situation be active rather than passive.  IMO, generally
speaking, it isn't always important that the best action be taken, as long
as some action is taken.  We can learn from mistakes, but it's hard to
learn as much from inaction.  Some people don't like to rock the boat, and
I respect that, if you stay below the radar, it's harder to get hit, but
we all have situations where we feel the need to take action.

I'd love to see more active linux users in the jr high to high school age
group, I think they would provide valuable contributions to the local
linux community.  I hope we didn't scare Andrew away.

Dave


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