On March 11, 2004 07:19 pm, Dave Lee wrote: > Nick W wrote: > > all kinds of tools at your disposal, but SSH/Telnet can do some real > > nasty stuff if put into the wrong hands. As was brought up before, if > > they allow > > I am unaware of the real nasty stuff that can be done with an ssh client > like PuTTY, can you elaborate? I know it could be used for unrestricted > network access if you have an account on some remote server. but other > then that? I don't see how it could circumvent any local security > restrictions.
Local, probably not, remote, possibly. Im no PuTTY expert, I was more less referring to SSH in general. ANY tool with remote connectivity [esp. at the level SSH allows] can be used inappropriately. Its an important tool, but there are 14-year-old blackhats out there. > > > We understand your plight and it sucks. That said, I think you need to > > chill out. Your posts are borderline flames, and that'll get you nowhere > > fast on this list. Of course I speak only for myself, but Im sure others > > feel the same. I apologise if this post hits a nerve, I needed to speak > > my mind. > > since you spoke up, I will too: > > Andrew, I apologize for the misunderstanding I feel you have recieved. > I applaud your assertiveness and the level of maturity you've shown for > someone of your age, I also encourage you to work to improve your > communications skills. Keep following your own path, keep questioning, > keep learning, keep growing, and don't let yourself be brought down by the > impediments you will face. > > To the list, I feel Andrew's assertiveness and inexperience has been > misunderstood. I think both Andrew's messages and some of the replies > have shown a communications barrier. Andrew has not helped his cause due > to lacking details, his inexperience with this type of forum, and the > frustration resulting from the communications problems. The replies to > his message have shown a lack of understanding of what it is like to be > someone of his of his age, his mind type, and in jr high, which is > understandable. Worse though, is the fact that some of the replies were > clearly written based on poor assumptions and with a lack of comprehension > of his messages. Of course, some of these assumptions would be > unnecessary had Andrew's emails been more detailed. > I agree, theres a misunderstanding for sure. Andrew is young and sticking up for what he believes in, and Im all for that. I was simply trying to point out to him that some of his expectations may be unrealistic given his environment. Sadly, Andrew is ahead of his peers in many ways and its hindering him, which would be very frustrating, but he needs to understand the school board is trying to protect his fellow students. IRC will probably never be allowed in the classroom, and we all know this is prudent. > In this case, I believe that Andrew likely knew where his best chances > lie, and he hoped to enlist members from this list to help him with this > course of action. I happily admit that I sent an email, which was I felt > polite, professional, courtious, and informational. I have been a > volunteer at one of the schools in Calgary over the last 5 years, and thus > was able to give CBE references. Given this fact, I feel I have the right > and the status to send an appropriate email. I hope it helped. If not, > it certainly did not hurt anyone. > As long as 50 of us didnt do the same at the same time, or it would be seen as an attack. Like you said, you are in a better position than most of us to do so. Coming from me it wouldnt have been appropriate IMHO. > Although this issue is not much of a Linux issue, I do see some parallels > between that of a linux user, and that of an advanced student with an > active mind. I think the issue is a smart kid who sees hundreds of computers turned into idiot boxes and he can't stand it. I know the feeling... > All of us, at some point, have felt stifled and trapped by > the windows environment that was built for the dumb-masses, and have taken > action to fix the situation by making changes. As a student, I often felt > trapped and stifled by the school environment that was built for the > dumb-masses, and I often took actions to attempt to fix the situation. > These changes sometimes lead to more problems, but I would much rather see > a person in this situation be active rather than passive. IMO, generally > speaking, it isn't always important that the best action be taken, as long > as some action is taken. We can learn from mistakes, but it's hard to > learn as much from inaction. Some people don't like to rock the boat, and > I respect that, if you stay below the radar, it's harder to get hit, but > we all have situations where we feel the need to take action. > > I'd love to see more active linux users in the jr high to high school age > group, I think they would provide valuable contributions to the local > linux community. I hope we didn't scare Andrew away. > As do I, and if I came across too harsh accept my apologies, Andrew. I think Linux in school is very important, but people are resistant to change and it often needs more diplomacy than torch-chasing. Id love to see LUGs in the schools, perhaps Andrew should start one. > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca -- Nick W (nickw77 at shaw.ca) Registered Linux User #324288 (http://counter.li.org) MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo: foolish_gambit ICQ: 303276221 It's not our fault, we're outnumbered by stupid people ten to one. _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca
