On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:42:56 -0600, Aaron Seigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > which is why there ought to be tighter privacy reigns put on these companies > too. just because it's bad in more places than one doesn't make them all > good. > Agreed.
> the cost of Google following everyone around makes it impractical. sorting > through digital text is very practical. cost effective even. and very > salable. > Fair enough. But trying to avoid Google's tracking of you would require you also stop browsing the web, since their ad bars are everywhere. And I have yet to be thoroughly convince that Google has any evil intent for the information they gather. > no, no and no. why? same reason i won't use GMail/Hotmail/etc: i respect my > privacy. > And everyone has the right to respect their own privacy to the level they are comfortable with. Like I said, I use this account to receive lists that are already public information (and my membership, by posting to them, is also public information) and to have the occassional small conversation with my wife. If Google figures out that I wanted turkey for dinner two weeks ago, good for them, I don't think they've gained much. > "You've already been collated, it's too late, just accept it." Not only is > that defeatist, it's a lie we are told by the companies who are increasingly > collecting our data. > > go back 10, 15, 30 and 50 years and take a look at the privacy differences. > it's all reversible, and without getting rid of the "grid" > Again, fair enough, it does get said alot, but I just don't see, other than living off the grid, how you're going to avoid it. > does Shaw store your mail when it goes over their server? do they colate it? > do they use it for market research? if yes, then don't use them. if no, which > almost certainly the case, then your argument is a Chicken Little argument of > absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the discussion. > No, "Chicken Little" is saying your insurance company is going to get ahold of your emails (not your argument, but it was made). That your email is tossed around in plain text for anyone along the wire to read is just fact. Is anyone doing it? Not necessarily. It's also doubtful anyone at the post office will ever read your postcard, but you still don't want to chance it, do you? And that's the failure of all email, not just gmail. > of course it's not GMail's fault. it's OUR fault. i'm not sure what part of > that is escaping you: we have the choice to use or not to use things. if we > choose not to use things that destroy privacy, we protect it. but just > because those things exist, doesn't man we may as well use them because they > exist. > > that's such an amazingly illogical string of thinking. > And this is where I don't see how this is escaping you: It's my choice, so stop telling me I shouldn't use it. I made my choice, now shove off. (and I mean that in the nicest possible way. :-) ) I knew the risks involved when I signed up for this account, just as I did when I signed up for a Hotmail account many years ago, and I'm tired of people telling me I'm stupid for using it just because _they_ don't think I should. > this is corporate mail, on corporate servers. it was not searchable by anyone > outside of Microsoft (and those they sent email to), and had to be gathered > with a court order. And where exactly does it say that Google is going to sell the contents of my email wholesale to the highest bidder? Where is my email searchable outside of Google's servers? Yes, they use the contents to figure out what to advertise, but did they send the contents of this email thread to Microsoft because the word "Microsoft" was in it? No, they sent Microsoft a bill saying "we showed your add in 1000 emails, pay up". I don't feel my privacy was invaded by that. > no, the whole "i don't care about privacy and don't care to educate myself on > how to protect it" is what has taken us so far down that road. email is > trivial to keep private. > I never said I don't care about privacy. I am educated about privacy. When I want to say something private I use methods other than this email account to do it. You seem to equate anyone who has a gmail account with a person who doesn't care about privacy, and I think you are very wrong in making that assumption. Ian _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
