Wow. You've written off someone I'd support as president, flamed the current executive, and more or less written off the rest of the group too?
For one email, that's pretty impressive, assuming that was your intent. However, as a member of the flamed majority, a working group of ~100 people who have been meeting for years and successfully grown during that time, with a budget of zero, through a variety of locations and facilities and other changes. I have to say, I'm much more apt to think the blame doesn't lie there. I suppose it's easier to bitch and moan, rather than making any positive contributions (even if they consist of suggestions rather than executive participation). And you're welcome to it. But recognize it for what it is. I probably deserve to be called a slacker for declining a nomination, but I didn't decline because I thought the group was dead and the members were hopeless. Perhaps I am a slacker. I'm busy, and I don't see enough of my family. That will change, and perhaps next time I'll change my mind. But for now, I'll try to support the group. If that means making mistakes, so be it. Doing nothing is worse than doing something wrong, because at least in failure, there is learning. Your post suggests that you aren't even interested in that. I'm not saying things couldn't be different, or better (or worse). I'm just saying that the old adage "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all" seems appropriate here. So say something helpful, or shut up. And no, I don't mean this to disparage you generally, I simply think this email was out of line. Hopefully some good will come of it because I suspect (actually I can see a zillion replies) it will at least facilitate some discussion. Kev. On Thursday 03 February 2005 20:50, Niels Voll wrote: > Hi Marcel, > > Thanks for your public statement. That's very kind. > > I hope you'll forgive me for writing to you personally for your long > distance insight. You have history with the group and one of the very > few clear heads in the group. To be honest, I'm torn about running. > > I'd actually like it better, if someone else would take "the platform" > and run with it. I've had senior management jobs - I don't need the > practice, and I have experienced, how little glory there is and how much > work there is. There's no seduction by the title for me (been there, > done that). -- However I haven't seen anyone, whom I would describe as > organized, who has gotten involved or been nominated and/or accepted for > office. Shawn's little programming SIG is around 6-7 people who chat > without an agenda once a month. It might be fewer, if there weren't a > trickle of people, who drop in once, only to decide never again. So I > think I know where clug is headed under his presidency. > > * Should I run for office, and the current group of disorganized > individualists will actually end up being grateful and supportive? Is > there a silent majority, which will come out of the woodwork and start > participating more, if the caliber of the organization rises and things > become less "executive" driven and more participatory? > > * Or is me running for office a silly idea, because I'll turn the > culture of the group inside out? Maybe inadvertently kill whatever there > is now, and nothing else would even take it's place? That would be > really stupid, and I wouldn't want to do that to anyone. > > * Should I rather think about starting a new group for FLOSS > enthusiasts, who actually like being more organized? > > I have way more questions than answers - do you have any insight, which > you might be able to share with me? > > Warmest regards, > > ...Niels > > Marcel A. Lecker wrote: > >I second Neils' nomination. > > > >Marcel > > > >On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 13:00 -0700, Jesse Kline wrote: > >>On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 23:01 -0700, Jarrod Major wrote: > >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>Hash: SHA1 > >>> > >>>For those of you that couldn't be there tonight here are the nominees > >>> (that accepted) for the Four Core Executive positions: > >>> > >>>President > >>>Shawn Grover > >> > >>I nominate Neils Voll for president, let the games begin :) > >> > >>Jesse > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>clug-talk mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >>Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >>**Please remove these lines when replying > > > >_______________________________________________ > >clug-talk mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >**Please remove these lines when replying > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
