I think he is more concerned that Linux is nothing without the GNU tools (libraries, compilers, utility programs, etc...) than with the GPL.

Ian.



bogi wrote:
We will need a mighty large t-shirt to put that on on :-)

On a slightly more serious note, Linux is gnu under the GPL license, so he is obviously has the point there, It does matter a lot that Linux, the kernel, is under the GPL, that guarantees freedom. Ask me if i see it necessary to change the name, i will say no, not now that is is established and known. Besides very few LUGs actually use the notion GNU/Linux as opposed to simply Linux and stand behind all OS Software. I can go for a slogan containing the GNU/Linux notation, but would care not to change the name. The less someone can convince me otherwise.

Cheers
Szemir


On May 24, 2005 10:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Shawn,
That's an interesting analogy.  I'll have to remember that one.  Thanks for
the summary.

I think Mr. Stallman has a point but we can do better.  I propose changing
from "Calgary Linux User's Group" to:

Calgary Shareware/Charityware/Freeware/Copyleft/public domain/BSD
licence/Artistic Licence/The Artistic License Version 2.0/Apache licence
1.1/Apache licence 2.0/Academic Public Licence/Open Source Licence
(OSL)/Free World Licence/Mozilla Public Licence/PHP licence/Sun Community
Source License/OpenOffice.org license(s)/CeCILL/Erlang Public License
(eddieware)/AT&T licence for KetKit software/putty licence/minix 2.0
licence/GPL/LGPL/GNU/Linux User's Group

Any objections?



http://www.topology.org/soft/lice.html
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html


Note: Other than the first 2 lines of this message the rest is full of
sarcasm




-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Shawn
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:23 AM
To: CLUG General
Subject: [clug-talk] Stallman Presentation Overview


Hi all.

I thought it might be good to give a quick "review" of the presentation for
those that could not make it....

I thought his talk on software patents was pretty good.  He was able to
help put things in perspective for me, and dug deeper into the issues
involved with software patents. His analogy helped clue it in for me... I'll paraphrase for you (just cuz I can't remember the exact wording..
<grins>)

Imagine it is a few hundred years ago, and it was possible to get a patent
on a musical note, a series of notes, or a particular rhythm.  Now imagine
you are a composer trying to come up with a new masterpiece.  You could
take the time to learn about all the musical patents that are out there,
and purposely try to write your masterpiece so as not to be affected by
them.  BUT, some patents might not be available to you at the time of your
research yet still affect your work.  So now it becomes very very difficult
to create a musical composition without getting affected by a patent.  Did
you use a C note? oops, that's patented.  Did you use a triplet? oops,
that's patented too.

So, the alternatives are to either purchase a license for each of the
patents that the composition is affected by.  But this is financially
prohibitive - especially if there is more than one.   The only other real
option is to create a new style of music, using new notes and rhythms - but
then people probably wouldn't think of it as music and want to listen to
it.  Beethoven and Mozart would be crippled when it comes to composing
music.  The patent holders (usually big companies) tell them that they
aren't smart enough if they can't create something original.

THIS is the problem with software patents.  Software, like music, is
created from ideas.  These ideas trigger other ideas, and so on, until a
product is developed.  By allowing software patents, we are being prevented
from building on these ideas to come up with the next generation
application or system.

The patent issue is even more complicated, but that's another discussion...
:)

With regards to Richard Stallman himself, I have had my suspicions
confirmed. He IS as eccentric as he seems, and very opinionated with
regards to certain issues (as he probably should be, given the position he
is in...).

I spoke with him briefly to say thank you on behalf of all the CLUG members
that were present (there were about 15 or 20 of us that I saw...).  Mr
Stallman suggested we could thank him by changing the name of our group to
"Calgary GNU/Linux User's Group".  To avoid any clash of opinions, I
suggested that I would post this issue to the group.  Comments?

Overall, the presentation was pretty good.  The venue was great (theater
type classroom at UofC), and the sound system probably wasn't needed but
was appreciated.  I was disappointed that CUUG did not mention CLUG's
efforts in promoting the event, but I'm sure I've missed out on thanking a
few people at our meetings.  The door prize was a wireless NIC (I think),
which seemed somewhat inadequate for the event and the numbers attending. That, and there was only the one prize - with the numbers attending, it
seems there should have been a couple more.

That said, I would like to thank CUUG for organizing this event, and the
CLUG members who helped promote it and/or attended it.

Shawn

(PS.  The opinions stated above are my own, and should not be taken as
CLUG's official stance....)

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