I agree. Just because they "want" something does not mean that it is a requirement. I would kindly explain to them that it does not state anywhere in the regulations that the R2b has to be 2 days before the Vb2. If they do cite you, wait till you get the paper to write a plan of correction and if it is still written as a tag I would IDR. Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol maher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Info needed - quick...surveyors in house
> I would show them pages 2-6 and 2-21 and 2-22 of the manual. It states that facilities have 366 days from Vb2-Vb2 and 92 days from the R2b of last quarterly to R2b of annual. There is no regulation that states the R2b must be 2 days before the Vb2 so you will not be able to show them anything that states that specifically. I am guessing that the presenter at the conference they attended used an example to show the R2b a different day than the Vb2 so they believe that it is a requirement. Can you download all of chapter 2 of the manual for them? > > -----Original Message----- > From: "McGrath, Christine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: May 7, 2004 7:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Info needed - quick...surveyors in house > > They want to the see the R2b dates to be within 364 days of each other, and the V2 dates to be within 366 days......we had scheduled them both (R2 and V2) for 365 days....they say that is how they were trained....... > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Michelle Witges > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:28 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Info needed - quick...surveyors in house > > > Am I missing something here? Your Vb2 date has to be on or after the R2b, > correct? So if your Vb2 date is within the 366 days, wouldn't your R2b > also? > Michelle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "McGrath, Christine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:22 PM > Subject: RE: Info needed - quick...surveyors in house > > > > Thanks...we have shown them stuff from the MDS manual and the pink > Surveyor's guide....It doesn't specifically mention the R2b dates can be 366 > days apart, only refers to the the V2b.....so far, she's not accepting > it....but.....survey's not over yet.....keeping my fingers > crossed.....thanks for the help > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > > Donna Mateyka > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 1:15 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Info needed - quick...surveyors in house > > > > > > Take out the manual and point to the directions. I had to do that for a > > surveyor questioning coding on siderails. Be nice when you do point out > > something from the manual. : - ) > > We just had survey and the team leader said that they don't have the > > "updated" manuals because the department of health did not buy them! I > said, > > you can download it and all updates from the internet. She said she hates > to > > use the computer!!!!! > > They are surveying us! Good luck, keep smiling. Donna > > > > > > >From: "Holly Sox, RN, RAC-C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: Info needed - quick...surveyors in house > > >Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:01:30 -0400 > > > > > >Info needed - quick...surveyors in houseYes, but remember 2004 is a leap > > >year. You have to figure in 2/29, which would make it one day earlier > than > > >expected. > > > > > > > > >Holly F. Sox, RN, RAC-C > > >Clinical Editor > > > > > >www.careplans.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: McGrath, Christine > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:49 AM > > > Subject: Info needed - quick...surveyors in house > > > > > > > > > Hi.....surveyor asked a question - annual MDS with R2b date of 5/7/03. > > >When is the next R2b due, 5/6/04 or 5/7? please respond quickly.....i > know > > >it can be 366 days between V2b dates.....does that also hold true for the > > >R2b dates?....thanks > > > > > > > > > Confidentiality Note: This e-mail is intended only for the person or > > >entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is > > >privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. > > >Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or the information > > >herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or > agent > > >responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is > > >prohibited. 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