Hi,

Just wondering how others handle this problem of developing web sites; good markup and design, but then need to put it into some sort of CMS so that users can *easily* manage their content. Importantly, the CMS has to have facilities that clean up markup. Not just some button on the editor that you click to clean up markup.

Briefly, some sort of WYSIWYG would be great, but I find that TinyMCE, and all the rest of them, have their own problem where people can easily cut and paste from a MS Word document, which absolutely murders what one is trying to do by creating a uniform site design, and I have seen nothing that goes close to cleaning it up. Admittedly I probably haven't tried hard enough. Text does not wrap around images properly, one should not, in my way of thinking have to educate users which style to adopt from drop down menus. We really need server side web editors that deploy selected css within their WYSIWYG editors.

It's frustrating to even see default installs of WordPress and their answer to inserting images (a simple URL dialog box). Are there any good plugins to address this? The FrontImage plugin looked good, but link is broken, it's hard to find the solutions worth following.

For some of my clients, TextPattern just doesn't seem to cut it in this area. Maybe others know which plugins to use to make it better.

Similar problems with CMSMadeSimple.

I can't run Plone on my server.  Maybe I need to get another one that will.

Sorry for the whinge, but I'd really like to know if others have solutions that work well for their users. I don't want to use anything that requires specific software be installed on the client side. It has to be a full web based solution.

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Geoff Deering
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