Patrick, I have to chime in for Apple here - and not speaking to the iPhone
7 because I haven't been paying attention and I'm an Android guy, but there
is no "hardware lock in" with Apple. "Ecosystem" lock in, absolutely. You
get the iPhone so you're locked to their App store - yes. This is also true
for Android. There are benefits and there are drawbacks, but hardware lock
in - no. They use all the same ports everyone else uses these days. I'm a
Windows, Linux and Mac guy ... Someone wants to take my macbook? - from my
cold dead hands!

The XPS laptops and that come close in industrial design these days - they
have that nice edge display. But it's still Windows and well, Windows was
my first, but it's a total kludge fest compared to the UI in OSX. I use
both, every day and once upon a time, back in the OS9 days, I made fun of
the mac guys.

Suhana, C&C 32

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List <> wrote:

> I agree with you. If I had known Raymarine's love of proprietary,
> lock-you-in, charge-as-much-as-they-please techniques, I probably wouldn't
> have bought an i70 and wind instrument.  (It's pretty astounding how much
> they charge per foot for a backbone cable, and even the little plastic caps
> you use to terminate it)
> I can see how for some people that aspect isn't that important though,
> there are other things to consider like hardware quality and reliability.
> Being in the software industry it was just amazing to see the effort
> Raymarine has made to maintain incompatibility / closed systems. In
> software if you have a common transfer protocol that companies are building
> their own proprietary things on top of, it's either intentional or
> incompetence. Raymarine doesn't seem incompetent so I have to conclude it's
> intentional.
> Apple is actually a good example of a software company that uses similar
> proprietary lock-in techniques to create a closed system. Just take for
> example their proprietary charging port and the latest iphone decision to
> remove an open standard (audio jack) in favor of a closed standard (Apple
> charging port with proprietary audio jack adapter).
> People that go Apple are deciding that paying a premium for equivalent
> hardware is worth it for whatever benefits they believe they get out of it
> (ex, better UX design?). With Apple it's not as bad though because they at
> least try to make things easier for the consumer.
> The good news is I think software updates to an i70 are much less
> important than updates to a chartplotter. Wind algorithms don't change that
> often, and I'm basically happy with the UI. Charts and charting UI do
> change often. My three Android devices cost less than a Raymarine MFD and
> provide triple redundancy.
> -Patrick
> S/V Violet Hour, Seattle, WA
> C&C LF38
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, <> wrote:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Dave S <>
>> To: "C&c Stus List" <>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:47:59 -0400
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
>> Joel,
>> That's pretty much the nut of it, there is not the same critical mass or
>> informed user base as with  mainstream mobile computing, (and this IS
>> mobile computing) and today, the tradeoff exists between the benefits (many
>> contrived) of single-brand solutions, and the benefits of a more open
>> approach.  Still, they have to strategize about their new competition - a
>> $50, full featured chartplotter,   (yes, in a relatively fragile device) on
>> technologies with very short (relatively) life cycles and blistering
>> innovation rates.   Amazing really.
>> I dealt with the fragility issues by buying a lifeproof case and RAM
>> mount.  Pretty rugged stuff, and fine for my application - summer sailing
>> on Lake Ontario.
>> I differ a bit on the software upgrade opinion - as with cars this could
>> be a safety and liability issue for the manufacturers.   If they make it
>> unreasonably difficult, they have a problem.  something else for them to
>> grapple with.
>> Other than chartplotters, tablet based Apps are thin on the ground so
>> far, partly because of the small market, partly the "closed shop" of the
>> major players, and - somewhat related- partly because "open" wireless N2K
>> is in its infancy, though this is changing.      The next few years will be
>> interesting!
>> Dave
> _______________________________________________
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
> Contributions are greatly appreciated!

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!

Reply via email to