Josh,
Agreed. Not to mention that for most of us, the computing power of a 2-year old 
laptop is more than enough, especially, if you plan to use it with a limited 
set of applications. E.g. my weather station runs on an 8-year old laptop and 
is doing quite fine.

Marek
In Ottawa ON


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Marek,

Yeah I was kinda misleading in my native 12v statement.  What I meant was that 
12v power supplies are often available.  12v cigarette lighter adapters that 
put out 19v for laptops.

Interestingly though, I did notice today on my laptop that the battery is 
putting out 12v.  It takes 19v from the wall adapter but only 12v from the 
battery.  I feel a jerry rig in the future....

And you're entirely right about the cheapness of a laptop that is a year or two 
old.  I've been picking up these dell rigs (latitude d830) that come used from 
businesses for ~$100.  I've had them for about a year and a half and today just 
realized that the bios date is 2013!  They are really very new (newer when I 
got them) in the grand scheme of things, but old as far as technology goes.  I 
can trash a ~$100 laptop every 5 to 10 years.  We're so close to the point of 
diminishing returns in terms of what most of us do on a day to day basis.

Josh

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Not all laptops are inherently 12 V (some use as high as 19 V). But it is easy 
to check.

Laptops have an extra advantage - they get obsoleted pretty quickly, so you can 
get a pretty decent used one for around $250. And you get all the internal 
power protection you need.

Marek

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You mentioned USB powered, so is the Raspberry PI.  In fact that was one of my 
biggest concerns.  The stability of a usb connector from a 12v boat supply just 
started feeling really unreliable.  I overcame it with a UPS addon "HAT" for 
the PI.  That is one nice thing about a laptop or even a tablet device.  They 
don't shutdown just because of a sketchy power connection and they will auto 
shutdown if the battery gets too low.

They're portable and have a considerable screen built right in.  They are also 
natively designed for 12v power supplies.

I guess that's why Rasberry PI fits my needs so well.  It is a cheap device 
that I can afford to ADD permanently to the boat and sustain depreciation and 
obsolescence without flinching.  The user interface can be ANY of my other 
personal devices and doesn't have to be permanently tied to the boat or 
regulatory transported to and from.

Just my 2 cents,
Josh


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