For comparison, I looked at this '81 36' last month: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/c-c-36-3240850/?refSource=standard%20listing
Interior seemed very basic, with too much plastic, and the window openings looked like they forgot to add trim. The baggy fabric covers didn't help, although I know this is easily fixed. I see it rates PHRF about the same as the 35-2, despite 2.5' shorter LWL, but it's also 1800 lbs lighter, and 1' wider. Maybe I should have another look? I don't recall condition of the sails; at the time I was not impressed based on the $35k CAD asking price. On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:12 AM Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid > hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat > with all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more > areas, with sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at > were mainly motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In > fact, nearly all the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old > sails. The C&C 37 had a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but > the boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the > summer, when most people cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless > they venture beyond the inside passage. > > It's a shame the C&C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I > looked at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K > and been sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the > cockpit as a result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me > after sailing a friend's MacGregor. > > I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20 > years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on > rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable > comfort. Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of > getting a solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I > can't fix easily fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is > right; in fact I would prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I > am not afraid of engine work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price > would have to reflect the amount of work needed. > > Thanks for all the tips! > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> If this is what you want: >> >> "I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in." >> >> For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about >> water makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my >> opinion, man. So take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at >> all costs, though I do love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff, >> it's all just "nice to haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a >> seaworthy boat with solid rigging, no soft decks, good sails and a well >> maintained engine - done. Out here on the Lakes there are a lot of racing >> boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are raced hard and put away wet, >> others are raced hard and very well cared for. I would look for the latter. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> FYI. >>> >>> All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the >>> engine, presumable sized with one take off, not four. >>> >>> I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told >>> by Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose. >>> Many of our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with. >>> >>> And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good. >>> >>> Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run. Imagine the stuff/poor >>> workmanship you cant see? >>> >>> *David F. Risch, J. D.* >>> >>> *Gulf Stream Associates, LLC* >>> >>> >>> *(401) 419-4650 * >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Shawn >>> Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:54 AM >>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> *Cc:* Shawn Wright >>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions >>> >>> Just a bit more info on the C&C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week >>> and decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based >>> mainly on the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the >>> 70s molded headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the >>> dodger, etc). That weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had >>> a feel for the interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am >>> changing my opinion of the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some >>> boats with the drop-down, I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker >>> when not needed. >>> >>> Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the >>> previous owner: >>> >>> - water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) >>> and installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level >>> - engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not >>> sure how it is engaged/disengaged >>> - dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts are a bit scary - 4 >>> pulleys off the crank >>> - solar panels over cockpit aft on very heavy aluminum I-beams, room for >>> 4 panels and 6x 6V batteries >>> - solent rig with dual furlers, apparently properly braced below deck, >>> although I didn't verify >>> - huge anchor and roller, along with stainless bow eye in hull - he >>> didn't want anchor to slip I guess. Possibly it was on a mooring buoy so >>> the bow eye would make sense. >>> >>> Although some things looked to be fairly well installed, others did not: >>> - poorly finished plywood battery box in port lazarette, along with >>> refrig unit covered in rust (probably not a marine grade unit) >>> - possibly the most annoying were all the holes in the molded headliner, >>> with exposed wiring junctions, etc. I assume some of the wiring is captive >>> so he decided to start cutting small holes. That and the holes for the >>> dodger mounting made it look like swiss cheese. Is the wiring that >>> difficult to upgrade up there? I'd probably try to cover the headliner with >>> panels of white and teak to hide all this, since I'm not a fan of molded >>> liners. >>> >>> The main problem with this boat is that even with all these 'upgrades' >>> in the past 2-3 years, everything from a safety standpoint (at a minimum) >>> becomes suspect to me based on the evidence of questionable workmanship >>> quality. The fact that the VW diesel injection pump was off being repaired >>> was another red flag. I know these engines very well, having rebuilt >>> several, and the injection pumps are bullet proof. Only two things will >>> cause this type of failure: bad fuel, and someone messing with them. My van >>> has an '86 engine with the original pump and >600k kms. It developed a leak >>> this year, but has otherwise been trouble free. >>> >>> It is a shame, because it seems like a solid boat, and the current owner >>> is a very nice guy, but I have too many projects already. I just want a >>> boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat >>> for someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in >>> recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like >>> to see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment, >>> with dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can >>> say that it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated >>> to sell, so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will >>> report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after >>> viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27. >>> Needless to say, I preferred the C&C, and it just made me more curious >>> about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack >>> job. Will report back... >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more >>> for a boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make >>> anyway. (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively free in a used >>> boat). >>> 35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2. >>> Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any seller) >>> but cash is king.... he’s seeking reasonable offers. >>> Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have >>> planned, and that hard dodger may be perfect for what you want, especially >>> if you can steer from there, sitting in the companionway. (Under power Via >>> autopilot) >>> Curious about the twin furler mod and how the stays are supported. >>> Good luck! >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Steve Thomas <sthom...@bellnet.ca> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably >>> well-equipped boat in good condition, especially in BC where prices are >>> generally higher, most likely due to the absurd cost of housing. >>> > >>> > Steve Thomas >>> > C&C 27MKIII >>> > C&C 36 >>> > >>> > ---- Shawn Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am >>> > curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability >>> for >>> > coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver >>> Island. >>> > Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has: >>> > >>> > Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib. >>> > VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs. >>> > Watermaker >>> > Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well >>> built). >>> > >>> > The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high. >>> > https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178 >>> > >>> > Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general. >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Shawn Wright >>> > shawngwri...@gmail.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. 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