I agree. We had/have three 26s on Carlyle and they're very good boats. The
MacGregors are really poorly done and extremely lightly built boats. I had the
21 as my first boat and comparing it to my next boat, a San Juan 24, was
comparing apples and oranges.It's like comparing driving a WW II jeep to a
Mercedes.It seems to me, that you should really look at the C&C 30-1. While
not the greatest in light air for racing, it does move and it can really stand
up to a blow. It responds well, doing exactly what you expect it to do. There
were a lot sold, so easier to find and the prices quite frankly are way too
cheap.I would look for one with a diesel.Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced since
I sail one.If/when I step up, it would be the 35-2. I raced/cruised on one and
it was great and a really beautiful boat to look at.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL
On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 12:00:21 PM CST, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I wouldn’t compare the 26 to a MacGregor.
It sounds like you need to get out sailing different boats more to help you
decide what’s important, or not.
From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid
hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat with
all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more areas, with
sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at were mainly
motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In fact, nearly all
the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old sails. The C&C 37 had
a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but the boat was a mess.
Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the summer, when most people
cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless they venture beyond the inside
passage.
It's a shame the C&C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I looked
at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K and been
sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the cockpit as a
result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me after sailing a
friend's MacGregor.
I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20
years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on rainy
days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable comfort.
Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of getting a
solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I can't fix easily
fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is right; in fact I would
prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I am not afraid of engine
work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price would have to reflect the
amount of work needed.
Thanks for all the tips!
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
If this is what you want:
"I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in."
For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about water
makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my opinion, man. So
take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at all costs, though I do
love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff, it's all just "nice to
haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a seaworthy boat with solid rigging,
no soft decks, good sails and a well maintained engine - done. Out here on the
Lakes there are a lot of racing boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are
raced hard and put away wet, others are raced hard and very well cared for. I
would look for the latter.
Steve
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
FYI.
All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the engine,
presumable sized with one take off, not four.
I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told by
Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose. Many of
our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with.
And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good.
Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run. Imagine the stuff/poor
workmanship you cant see?
David F. Risch, J. D.
Gulf Stream Associates, LLC
(401) 419-4650
From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Shawn Wright via
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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
Just a bit more info on the C&C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week and
decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based mainly on
the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the 70s molded
headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the dodger, etc). That
weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had a feel for the
interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am changing my opinion of
the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some boats with the drop-down,
I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker when not needed.
Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the previous owner:
- water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) and
installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level
- engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not sure how
it is engaged/disengaged
- dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts are a bit scary - 4 pulleys off
the crank
- solar panels over cockpit aft on very heavy aluminum I-beams, room for 4
panels and 6x 6V batteries
- solent rig with dual furlers, apparently properly braced below deck, although
I didn't verify
- huge anchor and roller, along with stainless bow eye in hull - he didn't want
anchor to slip I guess. Possibly it was on a mooring buoy so the bow eye would
make sense.
Although some things looked to be fairly well installed, others did not:
- poorly finished plywood battery box in port lazarette, along with refrig unit
covered in rust (probably not a marine grade unit)
- possibly the most annoying were all the holes in the molded headliner, with
exposed wiring junctions, etc. I assume some of the wiring is captive so he
decided to start cutting small holes. That and the holes for the dodger
mounting made it look like swiss cheese. Is the wiring that difficult to
upgrade up there? I'd probably try to cover the headliner with panels of white
and teak to hide all this, since I'm not a fan of molded liners.
The main problem with this boat is that even with all these 'upgrades' in the
past 2-3 years, everything from a safety standpoint (at a minimum) becomes
suspect to me based on the evidence of questionable workmanship quality. The
fact that the VW diesel injection pump was off being repaired was another red
flag. I know these engines very well, having rebuilt several, and the injection
pumps are bullet proof. Only two things will cause this type of failure: bad
fuel, and someone messing with them. My van has an '86 engine with the original
pump and >600k kms. It developed a leak this year, but has otherwise been
trouble free.
It is a shame, because it seems like a solid boat, and the current owner is a
very nice guy, but I have too many projects already. I just want a boat I can
sail, and feel safe and confident in.
Thanks
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat for
someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in recent
upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like to see, and
there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment, with dual
alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can say that it is
still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated to sell, so if
you're interested, I can pass along his contact info.
Thanks!
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will report
back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after viewing a
Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27. Needless to say, I
preferred the C&C, and it just made me more curious about Callisto. If the work
done appears to be well executed and not a hack job. Will report back...
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more for a
boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make anyway.
(The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively free in a used boat).
35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2.
Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any seller) but
cash is king.... he’s seeking reasonable offers.
Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have planned,
and that hard dodger may be perfect for what you want, especially if you can
steer from there, sitting in the companionway. (Under power Via autopilot)
Curious about the twin furler mod and how the stays are supported.
Good luck!
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Steve Thomas <sthom...@bellnet.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably
> well-equipped boat in good condition, especially in BC where prices are
> generally higher, most likely due to the absurd cost of housing.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C&C 27MKIII
> C&C 36
>
> ---- Shawn Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am
> curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for
> coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island.
> Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:
>
> Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
> VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
> Watermaker
> Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built).
>
> The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high.
> https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178
>
> Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>
>
>
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