Shawn: Did you see this? https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/surrey-psyche-is-for-sale/6792109649.html
Same year & model as mine. Eric On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 5:19 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I've not been on a 27, but I am assuming they will be too small for our > needs, as that it what everyone says about the Catalina 27 (which I also > haven't been aboard). I liked the 26, but it was the first boat I looked > at, and everything since has been larger. The CS27 seemed pretty cramped, > but the double settee was also pulled out when I looked at it. The awful > v-berth/head door contraption on that one turned me off. I think the > Nicholson 31/35 sliding doors are the best solution I've seen, although > need to make sure they are locked in rough seas! > > I don't know how accurate this is, but it shows the 27MK2 as very tender, > while the Mk1 is very stiff. Not sure where the others fall. > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:53 AM Paul Baker via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> The 27 would also fit the bill. Mk1/2 are stiffer than the 3/4, but the >> 3/4 are better in light air. Mk5 is a whole different thing. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Ronald B. >> Frerker via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> *Sent:* January 10, 2019 12:23:29 PM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Ronald B. Frerker >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions >> >> I agree. We had/have three 26s on Carlyle and they're very good boats. >> The MacGregors are really poorly done and extremely lightly built boats. I >> had the 21 as my first boat and comparing it to my next boat, a San Juan >> 24, was comparing apples and oranges. >> It's like comparing driving a WW II jeep to a Mercedes. >> It seems to me, that you should really look at the C&C 30-1. While not >> the greatest in light air for racing, it does move and it can really stand >> up to a blow. It responds well, doing exactly what you expect it to do. >> There were a lot sold, so easier to find and the prices quite frankly are >> way too cheap. >> I would look for one with a diesel. >> Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced since I sail one. >> If/when I step up, it would be the 35-2. I raced/cruised on one and it >> was great and a really beautiful boat to look at. >> Ron >> Wild Cheri >> C&C 30-1 >> STL >> >> >> On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 12:00:21 PM CST, Pete Shelquist via >> CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> I wouldn’t compare the 26 to a MacGregor. >> >> >> >> It sounds like you need to get out sailing different boats more to help >> you decide what’s important, or not. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> *On Behalf Of *Shawn >> Wright via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:13 AM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions >> >> >> >> Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid >> hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat >> with all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more >> areas, with sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at >> were mainly motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In >> fact, nearly all the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old >> sails. The C&C 37 had a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but >> the boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the >> summer, when most people cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless >> they venture beyond the inside passage. >> >> >> >> It's a shame the C&C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I >> looked at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K >> and been sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the >> cockpit as a result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me >> after sailing a friend's MacGregor. >> >> >> >> I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20 >> years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on >> rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable >> comfort. Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of >> getting a solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I >> can't fix easily fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is >> right; in fact I would prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I >> am not afraid of engine work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price >> would have to reflect the amount of work needed. >> >> >> >> Thanks for all the tips! >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> If this is what you want: >> >> >> >> "I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in." >> >> >> >> For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about >> water makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my >> opinion, man. So take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at >> all costs, though I do love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff, >> it's all just "nice to haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a >> seaworthy boat with solid rigging, no soft decks, good sails and a well >> maintained engine - done. Out here on the Lakes there are a lot of racing >> boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are raced hard and put away wet, >> others are raced hard and very well cared for. I would look for the latter. >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> FYI. >> >> >> >> All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the >> engine, presumable sized with one take off, not four. >> >> >> >> I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told by >> Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose. Many >> of our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with. >> >> >> >> And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good. >> >> >> >> Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run. Imagine the stuff/poor >> workmanship you cant see? >> >> >> >> *David F. Risch, J. D.* >> >> *Gulf Stream Associates, LLC* >> >> *(401) 419-4650 * >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Shawn >> Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:54 AM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Shawn Wright >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions >> >> >> >> Just a bit more info on the C&C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week >> and decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based >> mainly on the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the >> 70s molded headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the >> dodger, etc). That weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had >> a feel for the interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am >> changing my opinion of the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some >> boats with the drop-down, I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker >> when not needed. >> >> >> >> Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the previous >> owner: >> >> >> >> - water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) and >> installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level >> >> - engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not >> sure how it is engaged/disengaged >> >> - dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts are a bit scary - 4 >> pulleys off the crank >> >> - solar panels over cockpit aft on very heavy aluminum I-beams, room for >> 4 panels and 6x 6V batteries >> >> - solent rig with dual furlers, apparently properly braced below deck, >> although I didn't verify >> >> - huge anchor and roller, along with stainless bow eye in hull - he >> didn't want anchor to slip I guess. Possibly it was on a mooring buoy so >> the bow eye would make sense. >> >> >> >> Although some things looked to be fairly well installed, others did not: >> >> - poorly finished plywood battery box in port lazarette, along with >> refrig unit covered in rust (probably not a marine grade unit) >> >> - possibly the most annoying were all the holes in the molded headliner, >> with exposed wiring junctions, etc. I assume some of the wiring is captive >> so he decided to start cutting small holes. That and the holes for the >> dodger mounting made it look like swiss cheese. Is the wiring that >> difficult to upgrade up there? I'd probably try to cover the headliner with >> panels of white and teak to hide all this, since I'm not a fan of molded >> liners. >> >> >> >> The main problem with this boat is that even with all these 'upgrades' in >> the past 2-3 years, everything from a safety standpoint (at a minimum) >> becomes suspect to me based on the evidence of questionable workmanship >> quality. The fact that the VW diesel injection pump was off being repaired >> was another red flag. I know these engines very well, having rebuilt >> several, and the injection pumps are bullet proof. Only two things will >> cause this type of failure: bad fuel, and someone messing with them. My van >> has an '86 engine with the original pump and >600k kms. It developed a leak >> this year, but has otherwise been trouble free. >> >> >> >> It is a shame, because it seems like a solid boat, and the current owner >> is a very nice guy, but I have too many projects already. I just want a >> boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat >> for someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in >> recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like >> to see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment, >> with dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can >> say that it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated >> to sell, so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will >> report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after >> viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27. >> Needless to say, I preferred the C&C, and it just made me more curious >> about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack >> job. Will report back... >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more >> for a boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make >> anyway. (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively free in a used >> boat). >> 35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2. >> Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any seller) >> but cash is king.... he’s seeking reasonable offers. >> Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have >> planned, and that hard dodger may be perfect for what you want, especially >> if you can steer from there, sitting in the companionway. (Under power Via >> autopilot) >> Curious about the twin furler mod and how the stays are supported. >> Good luck! >> >> Dave >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Steve Thomas <sthom...@bellnet.ca> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably >> well-equipped boat in good condition, especially in BC where prices are >> generally higher, most likely due to the absurd cost of housing. >> > >> > Steve Thomas >> > C&C 27MKIII >> > C&C 36 >> > >> > ---- Shawn Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am >> > curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for >> > coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island. >> > Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has: >> > >> > Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib. >> > VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs. >> > Watermaker >> > Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well >> built). >> > >> > The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high. >> > https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178 >> > >> > Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > -- >> > Shawn Wright >> > shawngwri...@gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. 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