I've not been on a 27, but I am assuming they will be too small for our needs, as that it what everyone says about the Catalina 27 (which I also haven't been aboard). I liked the 26, but it was the first boat I looked at, and everything since has been larger. The CS27 seemed pretty cramped, but the double settee was also pulled out when I looked at it. The awful v-berth/head door contraption on that one turned me off. I think the Nicholson 31/35 sliding doors are the best solution I've seen, although need to make sure they are locked in rough seas!
I don't know how accurate this is, but it shows the 27MK2 as very tender, while the Mk1 is very stiff. Not sure where the others fall. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:53 AM Paul Baker via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The 27 would also fit the bill. Mk1/2 are stiffer than the 3/4, but the > 3/4 are better in light air. Mk5 is a whole different thing. > ------------------------------ > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Ronald B. > Frerker via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* January 10, 2019 12:23:29 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Ronald B. Frerker > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions > > I agree. We had/have three 26s on Carlyle and they're very good boats. > The MacGregors are really poorly done and extremely lightly built boats. I > had the 21 as my first boat and comparing it to my next boat, a San Juan > 24, was comparing apples and oranges. > It's like comparing driving a WW II jeep to a Mercedes. > It seems to me, that you should really look at the C&C 30-1. While not > the greatest in light air for racing, it does move and it can really stand > up to a blow. It responds well, doing exactly what you expect it to do. > There were a lot sold, so easier to find and the prices quite frankly are > way too cheap. > I would look for one with a diesel. > Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced since I sail one. > If/when I step up, it would be the 35-2. I raced/cruised on one and it > was great and a really beautiful boat to look at. > Ron > Wild Cheri > C&C 30-1 > STL > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 12:00:21 PM CST, Pete Shelquist via > CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > I wouldn’t compare the 26 to a MacGregor. > > > > It sounds like you need to get out sailing different boats more to help > you decide what’s important, or not. > > > > > > > > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> *On Behalf Of *Shawn > Wright via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:13 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions > > > > Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid > hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat > with all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more > areas, with sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at > were mainly motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In > fact, nearly all the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old > sails. The C&C 37 had a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but > the boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the > summer, when most people cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless > they venture beyond the inside passage. > > > > It's a shame the C&C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I > looked at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K > and been sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the > cockpit as a result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me > after sailing a friend's MacGregor. > > > > I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20 > years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on > rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable > comfort. Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of > getting a solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I > can't fix easily fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is > right; in fact I would prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I > am not afraid of engine work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price > would have to reflect the amount of work needed. > > > > Thanks for all the tips! > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > If this is what you want: > > > > "I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in." > > > > For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about > water makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my > opinion, man. So take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at > all costs, though I do love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff, > it's all just "nice to haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a > seaworthy boat with solid rigging, no soft decks, good sails and a well > maintained engine - done. Out here on the Lakes there are a lot of racing > boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are raced hard and put away wet, > others are raced hard and very well cared for. I would look for the latter. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > FYI. > > > > All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the > engine, presumable sized with one take off, not four. > > > > I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told by > Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose. Many > of our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with. > > > > And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good. > > > > Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run. Imagine the stuff/poor > workmanship you cant see? > > > > *David F. Risch, J. D.* > > *Gulf Stream Associates, LLC* > > *(401) 419-4650 * > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Shawn > Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:54 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Shawn Wright > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions > > > > Just a bit more info on the C&C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week > and decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based > mainly on the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the > 70s molded headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the > dodger, etc). That weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had > a feel for the interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am > changing my opinion of the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some > boats with the drop-down, I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker > when not needed. > > > > Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the previous > owner: > > > > - water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) and > installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level > > - engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not > sure how it is engaged/disengaged > > - dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts are a bit scary - 4 pulleys > off the crank > > - solar panels over cockpit aft on very heavy aluminum I-beams, room for 4 > panels and 6x 6V batteries > > - solent rig with dual furlers, apparently properly braced below deck, > although I didn't verify > > - huge anchor and roller, along with stainless bow eye in hull - he didn't > want anchor to slip I guess. Possibly it was on a mooring buoy so the bow > eye would make sense. > > > > Although some things looked to be fairly well installed, others did not: > > - poorly finished plywood battery box in port lazarette, along with refrig > unit covered in rust (probably not a marine grade unit) > > - possibly the most annoying were all the holes in the molded headliner, > with exposed wiring junctions, etc. I assume some of the wiring is captive > so he decided to start cutting small holes. That and the holes for the > dodger mounting made it look like swiss cheese. Is the wiring that > difficult to upgrade up there? I'd probably try to cover the headliner with > panels of white and teak to hide all this, since I'm not a fan of molded > liners. > > > > The main problem with this boat is that even with all these 'upgrades' in > the past 2-3 years, everything from a safety standpoint (at a minimum) > becomes suspect to me based on the evidence of questionable workmanship > quality. The fact that the VW diesel injection pump was off being repaired > was another red flag. I know these engines very well, having rebuilt > several, and the injection pumps are bullet proof. Only two things will > cause this type of failure: bad fuel, and someone messing with them. My van > has an '86 engine with the original pump and >600k kms. It developed a leak > this year, but has otherwise been trouble free. > > > > It is a shame, because it seems like a solid boat, and the current owner > is a very nice guy, but I have too many projects already. I just want a > boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat > for someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in > recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like > to see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment, > with dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can > say that it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated > to sell, so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info. > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will > report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after > viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27. > Needless to say, I preferred the C&C, and it just made me more curious > about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack > job. Will report back... > > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more for > a boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make > anyway. (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively free in a used > boat). > 35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2. > Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any seller) > but cash is king.... he’s seeking reasonable offers. > Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have > planned, and that hard dodger may be perfect for what you want, especially > if you can steer from there, sitting in the companionway. (Under power Via > autopilot) > Curious about the twin furler mod and how the stays are supported. > Good luck! > > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Steve Thomas <sthom...@bellnet.ca> wrote: > > > > > > Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably > well-equipped boat in good condition, especially in BC where prices are > generally higher, most likely due to the absurd cost of housing. > > > > Steve Thomas > > C&C 27MKIII > > C&C 36 > > > > ---- Shawn Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am > > curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for > > coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island. > > Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has: > > > > Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib. > > VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs. > > Watermaker > > Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built). > > > > The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high. > > https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178 > > > > Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > Shawn Wright > > shawngwri...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. 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