WELL PUT! BRAVO!!!!!! Susan
On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 11:07 AM Mark Minner-lee <[email protected]> wrote: > It’s been forever since I’ve seen such a passionate conversation about a > birding topic so I’ll throw my two cents in. > > 1. Call the birds whatever you want, my priority in life is to enjoy them > and advocate for their continued existence. The name in my humble opinion > the name has only been a marker of distinction not of importance. > > 2. If people are truly not interested in helping with > conservation/protection over the name of a bird then they are already not > focused on helping birds anyway. Changing the name isn’t going to make a > difference in driving their ultimate support. > > 3. Let’s stop stepping over hundred dollar bills to pick up pennies - > there are a multitude of issues with more significance and impact that we > can devote our energy to if it is the welfare or birds that we are truly > interested in. Let’s make the changes and move on to bigger and better > things! > > In other words at the end of the day just go out and keep enjoying birds > while they are still here - the names do not matter. > > Regards, > > Mark Minner-Lee > Erie, CO > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 3, 2023, at 9:19 AM, Susan Rosine <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I would vote for Marsh Hawk, Sunrise Phoebe and Stellar Jay! I would also > like Rufous-sided Towhee back. The ones in the Pacific Northwest aren't > very spotted, and have more rufous than ones in Colorado. > Susan Rosine > Brighton > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 9:10 AM Peter Ruprecht <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Megan's suggestion for a wonderfully lyrical new name for our "dryland >> phoebe" delights me. A descriptive name is an improvement over an eponym, >> but a descriptive name that poetically celebrates the essence of the bird >> is even better. "Thick-billed" certainly beats "McCown's", but does it >> really do justice to a bird whose buoyant song-flight over an open prairie >> at dawn is a true wonder of nature? Perhaps we can follow the example of >> the odonates community who standardized the common names for dragonflies >> with creative and mellifluous ones like "boghaunter" and "sundragon". >> >> If we think about naming a species for its habitat, let's keep in mind >> that its breeding habitat or the area that we most associate with it might >> not be where it lives for most of the year. In Colorado, Lincoln's Sparrow >> could accurately be called Willow Sparrow, but that might be confusing to >> people who see it in its nonbreeding range (where it spends the majority of >> its time). Similarly with Baird's -> Tundra Sandpiper. >> >> We may also want to consider the current preferred names for parts of a >> bird, particularly the upper front of the torso. These days, something like >> "Crescent-chested" sounds better to a lot of people than "Buff-breasted". >> >> Finally, while we're at it, could we please consider reverting Northern >> Harrier to Marsh Hawk? :) >> >> Peter Ruprecht >> Superior >> >> On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 11:04 PM Megan Miller < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I am a freshly minted 31 year old and I have been part of Colorados >>> birding community for around 20 years. I grew up here, found my passion for >>> birds and wildlife here, and built a career out of it. It was very >>> difficult and now that I am here the path forward doesn’t feel any easier. >>> We still have great challenges to overcome to create a better planet for >>> birds and people. >>> >>> A few years ago when discussion about changing bird names moved through >>> twitter and instagram I was also initially hesitant. I love Wilson’s >>> Warblers with all of my heart. But the more I learned about some (but not >>> all) of the men that described these species the more it seemed that they >>> were murderers first and avian hobbyists on the side. I think there are >>> plenty of platforms to remember the people who described and categorized >>> all these birds and it’s time to move on to new naming conventions. >>> >>> I know for a lot of younger birders this feels important because we feel >>> we have so little power the change our world for the better. It feels like >>> a tiny step to building a community fitting to our and future generations. >>> I do think it’s inevitable and it is only a small change considering the >>> changes that could face us in the coming years. >>> >>> I think Says Phoebe should be called Sunrise Phoebe. >>> >>> Megan Miller >>> Pueblo, Co >>> >>> >>> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Colorado Birds" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/cobirds?hl=en?hl=en >> * All posts should be signed with the poster's full name and city. >> Include bird species and location in the subject line when appropriate >> * Join Colorado Field Ornithologists https://cobirds.org/CFO/Membership/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Colorado Birds" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CAHPXVBaiHYV2b%3D-b0WsrPMpQdUh_ZZUrhHYEwtqaHAAHhwn%2BrQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CAHPXVBaiHYV2b%3D-b0WsrPMpQdUh_ZZUrhHYEwtqaHAAHhwn%2BrQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Colorado Birds" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cobirds?hl=en?hl=en > * All posts should be signed with the poster's full name and city. 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