You are missing the point.  The point isn't whether they are hard to enforce but the 
ability of us
to use them.  There should of been an Fline created for them enabling or disabling 
them.  They
shouldn't of ripped them out of the code altogether.  Entropy, if you had a problem 
with them,
then you should be able to disable them with a function :cP   It would be a nice 
feature.

Regards,
Braden

--- Entrope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Braden Temme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I concur.  I hardly believe the code size for them was enough to warrent their 
>destruction.  I
> > would think modeless channels would be used.  I did not before know they existed, 
>but now I
> know
> > they do (or did) I would miss them.  I think they should be brought back.. 
>Shouldn't be too
> > hard... Just copy the existing code and make it so it doesn't parse mode changes.
>
> What good do they do, though?  The problems I have had with modeless
> channels have to do with the fact that there is no moderation or
> enforcement system for them, and not with the code impact.
>
> If you have a combative userbase, chanops need some way to remove
> obnoxious users.  If your users are responsible and at least mostly
> get along together, much of an ircd's code is overkill, and you would
> have a nicer feature set using Zephyr (or Jabber or whatever) instead.
>
> Entrope
>


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