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istari wrote:
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> >> isnt the opposed from fear = brave ?
> >> and hate = love ?
> >
> >Merely bravery is kind of neutral, learned state, instead of kpure
> >emotion:
> >If we think fear is -10, bravery is plain zero. It still has no
> >'positive effect', it only makes fear unnecessary. Let's take an
> >abstract metaphor (emotions are quite abstracts when trying to
> >'rationalize' them)
>
> you study psychologie ? this sounds like a kelly grid matrix !
>
noop, what's kelly grid matrix?
> Live is change, changes in every little thing but love can never change, really.
You've found a real piece of gold!!! =)
Years ago I had a real hot romance with a girl, we felt in love totally.
After a while seh asked me "What do you want from me?" I said I didn't
want anything, and she claimed that then I don't love her... I didn't
understand, and as tried quite hard to understand that and find
something what I *want*, again and again I came into conclusion, that
all that I wanted was that girl, as she was, because she was target for
my love. But she didn't understand this, she thought it impossible to
love without having a need.
About one month later we split up, and later on I realized this
difference between conditional/unconditional love... or better if we say
"difference between understanding of love". I found that major
difference, love filtered through ego, makes it transform to a need, and
only give, if there is something to get. Love expressed without
conditions, just exists, it doesn't need anything to get back, because
you never run out love, more you give, the more you just receive. But in
the eyes of ego, your defense system, you feel that if you give, you
must have, otherwise that elseone get more than you, and because of
that, the one gets more powerful than you, and becomes a threat to
you...
> ok but there are lifesupporting instincts not so clearly seen like in your example.
Yes, but I started to talk about fear as an emotion, not as instinct.
Like you don't need any consciousness (maening rational thinking here)
or emotion to feel hungry, that's just your physical body's way to give
a message that it needs food. If you make a rational decision to eat,
but not having the feel of hunger, that's just a rational decision. Or
if have emotional feeling to have something, without really being
hungry, that's only saisfaction to that emotion.
Like in classical clichees women eat chocolate when they're unhappy...
> >Imagined by yourself, or filtered by your ego?
>
> whats the difference between myself and my ego ? this yourself sounds like something
>like the real human of myself... something like to say we all humans
> are equal, if we find the way of pure love.
YES!!!
You can think ego as an armour around you, yes, it protects you, but it
also isolates you,
in both ways.
When you feel to express your love to someone, and it filtrates through
your defenses, there comes conditions into your acts. And vice versa,
you receive positive feelings from someone, you don't accept them fully,
because there's at least a suspicion in your mind.
And of course our societal/cultural "norms" gives lots of limitations to
our behaviour.
When YOU love someone/s you don't have that lack of trust, you just love
thoe others, unconditionally, you love to feel the existence of love,
and you want to share with others.
>From this point of view, it would be better, to have a world,
"controlled" by love, instead of ego-based fear...
True unity, and pure will of share, instead of isolation and competitive
urge to fill only your own needs, as others seen by a threat...
> >> ok when i know i am weak its better to say, before i drop down at work.
> >
> >Yes, but this society around us keep nagging message "only loosers are
> >weak", until very recently, when more and more people are dropping
> >almost dead in their jobs.
>
> and they are feared not to pay their bills if they dont work. its more the fear of
>having no money, then looking weak or better lets say lazy.
>
Yeh, and also the fear of the possibility to face themselves, as there
are many actions our egos makes us to fill "the empty spaces", when
there is that possibility that we have to face our "emotions not wanted"
- people are escaping to face to mirror... some manage to do it all
their lives.
As our ego holds up a polished picture, a role model, of ourselves, it
"protects" us to see our REAL selves, as the picture may not be so
beatiful at all...
> >Another nasty thing is that role-model for male is still "under
> >construction", men are supposed to a bit macho, wise, tender, sensitive,
> >able to flirt, able to small talk, to like children, to make shitloads
> >of money... what ever, but never a WEAK, that is strictly not allowed...
> >while woman of course can be weak, that is even expected! ...and if
> >woman is too strong, men starts to have fear...
>
> hm.. let there roleplaying games ! you have to act right as a male in every
>situation. if not you fail. i think women have this problem too.
Yeh, many things are chancing around with quite a speed, no wonder we
both sexes are confused.
But as it can already be seen, the integration of male/female energies
has begun. At this beginning phase these (what we have felt as) opposite
forces are breaking up, and we see as well as very feminine men, as
masculine women.
The key is to balance both energies within.
> Final Renawal mostly exists of drum sounds ! there are just one synth pad and
> a synth fx sound in it.
Yeah, but still it was nice =)
>
> shaman drums: maybe over a dub track. i did one track with the tape of a guy came at
>me in front of a bar, and he started to preach about rastafarian wisdoms at me. that
>was a nice track.
>
I'd rather not do that, as shaman drums has quite influence on me, it
means if there is a "spoken message", then it should be something "real"
- like in the spirit of Pure Love...
I didn't believe that shaman drum effect at first, but when I used my
own smples of a genuine shaman drums on a slow track, I really "slided"
into a trance...
BTW, it was about the time, after that I went to a local
"teens-having-plur-smile-in-e's- trance-party", and I became irritated
because of those compressed bassdrum sounds...
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