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At 17:50 5.10.2002 +0300, you wrote:

>>actually i bet we would be frightened to find out how many people simply 
>>stare through the 3 min of commercials.
>
>Hmmm... yeah, this is the old "lay-back versus lean-forward" thing (or 
>what were the terms again, Fred?). Since tv is a lay-back medium, you keep 
>staring the screen during the commercials, because your brain activity is 
>near zero already. But when you're surfing the web, you're _actively_ 
>searching for the information/entertainment you want to read 
>(/see/feel/hear). If someone tries to force anything unrelated down your 
>throat while searching, it feels annoying.
>
>I'd say that web isn't a good medium for advertising in the first place. 
>If you want money from the content, make the site closed for 
>non-registered people. Make the registered people pay for the content.

or maybe people should finally change their definition of advertising. as 
long as ads by definition are unrelated and aim to force something down 
someone's throat, they are sure to be irritating and might fit especially 
badly in a "lean-forward" medium?

because i'm buying stuff, like most people are, i'm sometimes genuinely 
interested in getting some product information. nothing wrong with that in 
itself. i might even actively search for such info, and let's say there's a 
paid ad on a digi camera site where i'm browsing for tips for which camera 
to buy: much less irritating already.



>... but the whole medium should first morph to more lay-back-oriented, 
>before advertising could really work.

or alternatively advertising should start serving the needs of public 
instead of always just creating them...


>How many times you've actually clicked an ad banner? I think I've clicked 
>less than ten times, from the very beginning of the commercial web 
>(somewhere in the mid-nineties) to today. I've never bought anything 
>because of web advertising.

just to increase the count, i sometimes click the banners on sponsored 
one-man maintained sites that give the honest statement "please click some 
of these banners to support us". after all, browser windows that you've 
launched yourself are as easy to close as popups!

back in time i often used to move the mouse over weird banners to see which 
url they lead to, but these days they always go through a clickthrough 
system. sometimes if a banner ad is crazy enough, i can't resist the 
temptation to see what it's about (i think i've been dissappointed every 
time though).

my brother installed "bonzi buddy" because he hated the ads so much.

jani

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