It should definitely be a post [lang] release question. 
I don't know if [beanutils] is close to a release, but it might even be a post 
N+1 release for them.

Overall, I like the idea. I think it opens up a lot of possibilities in both 
directions. But managing it well will take some thought. 

What's in [lang] is 'good enough'. Lets release it.

On Wednesday 18 September 2002 11:57 am, Henri Yandell wrote:
> I've no clear beliefs against it. I lack a good understanding of the whole
> of BeanUtils scope and size and I'm not sure whether this affects a Lang
> release. BeanUtils is one of those, I now know how to use, I will replace
> my own version, but I need to find out what it doesn't do that mine does
> and get inside it to feel good about it things :)
>
> So one question to your suggestion is, does this question block release?
>
> [mental note. figure out the size of beanUt]
>
> Hen
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Steven Caswell wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:29 AM
> > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > > Subject: RE: [lang] Builders complete?
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:12 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [lang] Builders complete?
> > > >
> > > > >  from:    Steve Downey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Post release, there should also be a discussion of introspectionX
> > > > > versions of
> > > > > the reflectionX methods. I know we ruled it out of scope
> > > >
> > > > for [lang], since
> > > >
> > > > > it's more of a bean thing. But the builder classes aren't
> > > >
> > > > things that
> > > >
> > > > > [beanutils] is really doing, at least at the moment. And
> > > >
> > > > duplicating the
> > > >
> > > > > XBuilder classes in [beanutils] doesn't really seem to me
> > > >
> > > > to be a good way of
> > > >
> > > > > serving our clients.
> > > >
> > > > This is the cyclic dependency issue I raised a long time ago.
> > > > There's no simple solution. Unless [beanutils] merges with [lang].
> > >
> > > Is there any reason why [beanutils] couldn't merge with
> > > [lang].  IMO, reflection vs. introspection is on the same
> > > level (language), and most people are up at the application
> > > level anyway.
> > >
> > > Is anyone willing to support the merge?  I am.  Better yet,
> > > is anyone UNWILLING/AGAINST beanutils merging with lang?
> >
> > I'm for it. I'll certainly help in any way I can.
> >
> > > Scott
> > >
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