I'm a it.wikisource user, and I followed and read this interesting talk; Commons data repository is extremely important in our work roadmap as you know. I reported too this talk into our village pump. In brief: the more other projects users are encouraged/forced to use Commons as the main/exclusive media repository, the more Commons has to be seen as a service for other projects, and local upload can be discouraged; the more Commons is considered an indipendent project, the more users should be encouraged to choose freely between Commons or local upload.
Alex 2014-06-26 16:15 GMT+02:00 Nathan <[email protected]>: > > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Fæ <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 26 June 2014 12:22, Chris McKenna <[email protected]> wrote: >> > THIS is the crux of the issue. You are insisting on statue or caselaw to >> > prove that these files are Free beyond ALL conceivable doubt because the >> > copyright outside Israel is legally ambiguous but in practice any >> copyright >> > that may or may not exist is extremely unlikely to be enforced. >> >> You? Geni is not King/Queen of Commons. >> >> > The Wikimedia Foundation lawyers have said that it is OK to host, and >> the >> >> No. Please supply a link to WMF Legal's published statement saying this. >> >> > majority of people complaining about Commons want Commons to host, files >> > that are free beyond reasonable doubt unless and until a _valid_ >> takedown >> > request is received that removes the doubt. >> >> There was an RFC, this was not the closing statement, in fact nothing >> like it. >> >> Commons is not ruled by "people complaining about Commons", this would >> not be consensus, it would be a complainer-ocracy that would certainly >> run the project straight into the ground, probably being led by the >> "hasten the day" lobbyists. >> >> > In the Israeli example, the positions can be summed up as: >> > Israeli government: We don't hold copyright on these images >> > Commons admins: You haven't explicitly disclaimed copyright outside >> Israel, >> > we demand that you do. >> >> No, "Commons admins" have made no such statement. >> >> > Reasonable people: Only the copyright holder can disclaim copyright, the >> > Israeli government say they do not hold copyright and so cannot >> disclaim it. >> > Commons admins: You're wrong, now go away and get teh Israli government >> to >> > disclaim the copyright they say they don't have. >> > Reasonable people: But they can't! >> > Commons admins: We say they can, so they must be able to. >> > *Repeat* >> >> No, "Reasonable people" is a bizarre polarizing statement. It divides >> the world into the "right thinking good people" and makes everyone >> else unreasonable Satanists, or something similar. >> >> I don't see how fiction that seems intended to polarize or unfairly >> parody the entire Commons community is a good use of this list. >> >> Fae >> -- >> > > > If anyone is misusing the list today, Fae.... It's not appropriate to > accuse Gerard of "following" you to Commons, nor to accuse him of trolling > or of making accusations (or "slurs") he has not made. Nor is it polite to > describe widely offered criticism as fiction, parody or bizarre. It'd be > great if you could participate in the discussion without resorting to > attacking other posters. > > _______________________________________________ > Commons-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l > >
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