Didin't [email protected] already close this thread? Here's another bait email trolling the community.
*Best Regards,* *Anthony* On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 5:45 AM Lili Au <[email protected]> wrote: > A funny discussion. Anyway, I saw many LOA that is CI authorise LARUS ( a > Hong Kong company too) then LARUS authorise to their clients. Leo is > correct. > > — > > > Frank Habicht <[email protected]>於2021年7月27日 15:32寫道： > > > > Hi, > > > > did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to connect > > our customers in Africa" ? > > > > Did CI? > > > > Thanks, > > Frank > > > > PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing > > just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity. > > > >> On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: > >> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please consider > >> the amount of space > >> held by: > >> > >> Non-LIRs (end users): > >> Hewlett Packard > >> Apple Computer > >> > >> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not: > >> Amateur Radio (AMPR) > >> > >> LIRs: > >> XFINITY/Comcast > >> Verizon > >> Akamai > >> XO Communications > >> Amazon > >> Microsoft > >> Google > >> etc. > >> > >> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the > >> above organizations. > >> > >> Owen > >> > >> > >>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Ronald > >>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a > >>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block > >>> allocated. This is not in 199x year. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette > >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> In message > >>> <calm9cbn+r9oen9+9ybjfbk5ggtcmemz1yhxgdfw04otc3mx...@mail.gmail.com > <mailto: > calm9cbn%2br9oen9%[email protected]>> > >>> Meriem Dayday <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> This is a direct violation of the CoC. > >>> > >>> No, actually, it isn't. > >>> > >>> The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making use > of > >>> it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is > >>> effectively > >>> public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any > >>> number of > >>> public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>, > etc.) > >>> > >>> If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider it > an > >>> affront to public decency if some people elected to look through the > >>> telescope and then just describe what they saw? And if so, then > what > >>> is next? Book burning? > >>> > >>>> Disclosing such information and data without the company's > >>> consent is a > >>>> clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the > >>>> concerned person. > >>> > >>> OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different > >>> obvious > >>> logical problems. > >>> > >>> First, the Internet is *not* a private network. Fact's about what > >>> various > >>> companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to > learn, > >>> without needing the consent of the companies inolved. That is the > >>> nature > >>> of the Internet. If you want to run your own closed private > intranet, > >>> then go head. Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every last > >>> detail of your corporate operations utterly secret. But the > >>> minute any > >>> company obtains Internet number resources and starts using those, it > >>> *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange > >>> for being > >>> a part of, and a participant on this great communications > >>> experiment we > >>> call the Internet. > >>> > >>> I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud > >>> Innovation. > >>> And yet even well before today I already determined for myself > >>> that well > >>> more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned AFRINIC-administered > IPv4 > >>> address space was being deployed to other continents. This is not > >>> a state > >>> secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100% > >>> public > >>> sources. Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same > >>> information. > >>> > >>> Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying its > >>> assigned number resources does or does not comport with its specific > >>> RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate > question, > >>> and one which I myself do not have an answer to. In any case, the > >>> courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine. > >>> But the > >>> mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its AFRINIC-assigned > >>> resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the > >>> available > >>> public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets. Any attempt to > portray > >>> them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship. > >>> > >>> The second logical problem with the statement above is contained > >>> in the > >>> part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal > >>> consequences > >>> on the concerned person." > >>> > >>> Exactly so! If the guy who posted the material you are reacting > >>> to was > >>> willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE OF > the > >>> possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for > defamation, > >>> then why are YOU worried about it? Why should AFRINIC be worried > >>> about > >>> it? Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation > lawsuit > >>> is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) defamatory > >>> text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to > >>> express > >>> his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU? > >>> > >>> Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner > >>> appears > >>> to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless > >>> censorship. > >>> > >>> I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all > >>> of the > >>> issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts to > >>> muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments. > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> rfg > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Community-Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] > > > >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Community-Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Community-Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >
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