Thank you Noah, Hi everyone,
I'm afraid that I can not share the LOA since it will give them some clues. But I can say -- - Leo is saying the truth. or even more revenue that CI earns from leasing service. I know their pricing, I know their business model. - As I said, CI will issue LOA to LARUS, and LARUS issue the LOA to their client, as you guys may know CI belongs to who, and - LARUS Limited (a company registered in Hong Kong) belongs to the guy who we know, for those interested, please check from ICRIS( https://www.icris.cr.gov.hk/csci/), which was created by the Hong Kong government - Company Registry. it's public record, you just need to pay 11HKD(1.41USD) to check:) - I don't know much about Africa on Cloud, but please check their ASN, it's interesting when you look at those ranges:) Oh, a few months ago I received a call before from LARUS about the election and they want me to vote for Mr. Paul Wallner, anyone else got this call too? - Some guys keep talking here is hired by CI or LARUS, apparently, - Anyone can lease IP address from LARUS: https://ipv4.larus.net/, you just need to fill in some information and pay. then you will get an LOA within few days, most of their blocks from CI, only around 1% from other companies(their management service) - LARUS keep leasing out CI's IP blocks, but for those idle blocks, CI will keep broadcast under some ASNs like AS328608 (South Africa), AS35916 (USA), or AS134548 (HK) At last, I got a question is When AFRINIC will open Inter-RIR transfer policy? I'm pretty sure that CI will transfer all the IP blocks to other RIR:) Best Noah <[email protected]> 於 2021年7月27日 週二 下午9:20寫道： > > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2021, 15:20 Antone Ubah, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Oh Noah, >> >> 'Afraid' you say? Of what? Of whom? What are my stakes? What are your >> stakes? >> There is an ongoing legal process between parties involved, am I wrong? >> If anyone or group has input to that, is it not right to funnel such down >> the appropriate channels? >> >> >> Or are you the arm behind the puppets? The grand puppeteer popping up >> characters to incite friction.🤔 >> > > > As far as I know and for a fact, you Antony are a puppet associated with > Heng Lu. > > I know this for a fact and enough data to prove it. > > Whoever Lili Au is, they have the right to speak and dont call them trolls. > > Noah > > > >> Then again, what are your stakes? >> >> >> Lili is free to air his/her/their views, however it makes sense to do it >> right, not for commotion sake. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Anthony >> >> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:00 AM Noah <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021, 14:51 Anthony Ubah, <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Didin't [email protected] already close this thread? >>>> >>>> Here's another bait email trolling the community. >>>> >>> >>> Let Lili Au speak. What are you afraid of? >>> >>> Comms dont have the authority to close any thread. >>> >>> They only cautioned on violation of CoC. >>> >>> Noah >>> >>>> >>>> *Best Regards,* >>>> >>>> *Anthony* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 5:45 AM Lili Au <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A funny discussion. Anyway, I saw many LOA that is CI authorise LARUS >>>>> ( a Hong Kong company too) then LARUS authorise to their clients. Leo is >>>>> correct. >>>>> >>>>> — >>>>> >>>>> > Frank Habicht <[email protected]>於2021年7月27日 15:32寫道： >>>>> > >>>>> > Hi, >>>>> > >>>>> > did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to >>>>> connect >>>>> > our customers in Africa" ? >>>>> > >>>>> > Did CI? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > Frank >>>>> > >>>>> > PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing >>>>> > just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity. >>>>> > >>>>> >> On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: >>>>> >> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please >>>>> consider >>>>> >> the amount of space >>>>> >> held by: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Non-LIRs (end users): >>>>> >> Hewlett Packard >>>>> >> Apple Computer >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not: >>>>> >> Amateur Radio (AMPR) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> LIRs: >>>>> >> XFINITY/Comcast >>>>> >> Verizon >>>>> >> Akamai >>>>> >> XO Communications >>>>> >> Amazon >>>>> >> Microsoft >>>>> >> Google >>>>> >> etc. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the >>>>> >> above organizations. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Owen >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <[email protected] >>>>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Hi Ronald >>>>> >>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a >>>>> >>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block >>>>> >>> allocated. This is not in 199x year. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette >>>>> >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> In message >>>>> >>> < >>>>> calm9cbn+r9oen9+9ybjfbk5ggtcmemz1yhxgdfw04otc3mx...@mail.gmail.com >>>>> <mailto: >>>>> calm9cbn%2br9oen9%[email protected] >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Meriem Dayday <[email protected] >>>>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> This is a direct violation of the CoC. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> No, actually, it isn't. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making >>>>> use of >>>>> >>> it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is >>>>> >>> effectively >>>>> >>> public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any >>>>> >>> number of >>>>> >>> public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>, >>>>> etc.) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider >>>>> it an >>>>> >>> affront to public decency if some people elected to look >>>>> through the >>>>> >>> telescope and then just describe what they saw? And if so, >>>>> then what >>>>> >>> is next? Book burning? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Disclosing such information and data without the company's >>>>> >>> consent is a >>>>> >>>> clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the >>>>> >>>> concerned person. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two >>>>> different >>>>> >>> obvious >>>>> >>> logical problems. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> First, the Internet is *not* a private network. Fact's about >>>>> what >>>>> >>> various >>>>> >>> companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to >>>>> learn, >>>>> >>> without needing the consent of the companies inolved. That is >>>>> the >>>>> >>> nature >>>>> >>> of the Internet. If you want to run your own closed private >>>>> intranet, >>>>> >>> then go head. Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every >>>>> last >>>>> >>> detail of your corporate operations utterly secret. But the >>>>> >>> minute any >>>>> >>> company obtains Internet number resources and starts using >>>>> those, it >>>>> >>> *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange >>>>> >>> for being >>>>> >>> a part of, and a participant on this great communications >>>>> >>> experiment we >>>>> >>> call the Internet. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud >>>>> >>> Innovation. >>>>> >>> And yet even well before today I already determined for myself >>>>> >>> that well >>>>> >>> more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned >>>>> AFRINIC-administered IPv4 >>>>> >>> address space was being deployed to other continents. This is >>>>> not >>>>> >>> a state >>>>> >>> secret by any means, and the information may be derived from >>>>> 100% >>>>> >>> public >>>>> >>> sources. Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same >>>>> >>> information. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying >>>>> its >>>>> >>> assigned number resources does or does not comport with its >>>>> specific >>>>> >>> RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate >>>>> question, >>>>> >>> and one which I myself do not have an answer to. In any case, >>>>> the >>>>> >>> courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine. >>>>> >>> But the >>>>> >>> mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its >>>>> AFRINIC-assigned >>>>> >>> resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the >>>>> >>> available >>>>> >>> public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets. Any attempt to >>>>> portray >>>>> >>> them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The second logical problem with the statement above is contained >>>>> >>> in the >>>>> >>> part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal >>>>> >>> consequences >>>>> >>> on the concerned person." >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Exactly so! If the guy who posted the material you are reacting >>>>> >>> to was >>>>> >>> willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE >>>>> OF the >>>>> >>> possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for >>>>> defamation, >>>>> >>> then why are YOU worried about it? Why should AFRINIC be >>>>> worried >>>>> >>> about >>>>> >>> it? Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation >>>>> lawsuit >>>>> >>> is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) >>>>> defamatory >>>>> >>> text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to >>>>> >>> express >>>>> >>> his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner >>>>> >>> appears >>>>> >>> to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless >>>>> >>> censorship. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of >>>>> all >>>>> >>> of the >>>>> >>> issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of >>>>> attempts to >>>>> >>> muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Regards, >>>>> >>> rfg >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>>> >>> [email protected] <mailto: >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>>> >>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>>> >>> [email protected] <mailto: >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Community-Discuss mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >
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