On Tue, 27 Jul 2021, 15:20 Antone Ubah, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oh Noah, > > 'Afraid' you say? Of what? Of whom? What are my stakes? What are your > stakes? > There is an ongoing legal process between parties involved, am I wrong? If > anyone or group has input to that, is it not right to funnel such down the > appropriate channels? > > > Or are you the arm behind the puppets? The grand puppeteer popping up > characters to incite friction.🤔 > As far as I know and for a fact, you Antony are a puppet associated with Heng Lu. I know this for a fact and enough data to prove it. Whoever Lili Au is, they have the right to speak and dont call them trolls. Noah > Then again, what are your stakes? > > > Lili is free to air his/her/their views, however it makes sense to do it > right, not for commotion sake. > > > Regards, > > Anthony > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:00 AM Noah <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021, 14:51 Anthony Ubah, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Didin't [email protected] already close this thread? >>> >>> Here's another bait email trolling the community. >>> >> >> Let Lili Au speak. What are you afraid of? >> >> Comms dont have the authority to close any thread. >> >> They only cautioned on violation of CoC. >> >> Noah >> >>> >>> *Best Regards,* >>> >>> *Anthony* >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 5:45 AM Lili Au <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> A funny discussion. Anyway, I saw many LOA that is CI authorise LARUS ( >>>> a Hong Kong company too) then LARUS authorise to their clients. Leo is >>>> correct. >>>> >>>> — >>>> >>>> > Frank Habicht <[email protected]>於2021年7月27日 15:32寫道： >>>> > >>>> > Hi, >>>> > >>>> > did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to >>>> connect >>>> > our customers in Africa" ? >>>> > >>>> > Did CI? >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > Frank >>>> > >>>> > PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing >>>> > just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity. >>>> > >>>> >> On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: >>>> >> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please >>>> consider >>>> >> the amount of space >>>> >> held by: >>>> >> >>>> >> Non-LIRs (end users): >>>> >> Hewlett Packard >>>> >> Apple Computer >>>> >> >>>> >> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not: >>>> >> Amateur Radio (AMPR) >>>> >> >>>> >> LIRs: >>>> >> XFINITY/Comcast >>>> >> Verizon >>>> >> Akamai >>>> >> XO Communications >>>> >> Amazon >>>> >> Microsoft >>>> >> Google >>>> >> etc. >>>> >> >>>> >> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the >>>> >> above organizations. >>>> >> >>>> >> Owen >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <[email protected] >>>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Hi Ronald >>>> >>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a >>>> >>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block >>>> >>> allocated. This is not in 199x year. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette >>>> >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> In message >>>> >>> < >>>> calm9cbn+r9oen9+9ybjfbk5ggtcmemz1yhxgdfw04otc3mx...@mail.gmail.com >>>> <mailto: >>>> calm9cbn%2br9oen9%[email protected] >>>> >> >>>> >>> Meriem Dayday <[email protected] >>>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> This is a direct violation of the CoC. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> No, actually, it isn't. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making >>>> use of >>>> >>> it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is >>>> >>> effectively >>>> >>> public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any >>>> >>> number of >>>> >>> public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>, >>>> etc.) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider >>>> it an >>>> >>> affront to public decency if some people elected to look through >>>> the >>>> >>> telescope and then just describe what they saw? And if so, then >>>> what >>>> >>> is next? Book burning? >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Disclosing such information and data without the company's >>>> >>> consent is a >>>> >>>> clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the >>>> >>>> concerned person. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different >>>> >>> obvious >>>> >>> logical problems. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> First, the Internet is *not* a private network. Fact's about >>>> what >>>> >>> various >>>> >>> companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to >>>> learn, >>>> >>> without needing the consent of the companies inolved. That is >>>> the >>>> >>> nature >>>> >>> of the Internet. If you want to run your own closed private >>>> intranet, >>>> >>> then go head. Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every >>>> last >>>> >>> detail of your corporate operations utterly secret. But the >>>> >>> minute any >>>> >>> company obtains Internet number resources and starts using >>>> those, it >>>> >>> *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange >>>> >>> for being >>>> >>> a part of, and a participant on this great communications >>>> >>> experiment we >>>> >>> call the Internet. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud >>>> >>> Innovation. >>>> >>> And yet even well before today I already determined for myself >>>> >>> that well >>>> >>> more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned >>>> AFRINIC-administered IPv4 >>>> >>> address space was being deployed to other continents. This is >>>> not >>>> >>> a state >>>> >>> secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100% >>>> >>> public >>>> >>> sources. Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same >>>> >>> information. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying >>>> its >>>> >>> assigned number resources does or does not comport with its >>>> specific >>>> >>> RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate >>>> question, >>>> >>> and one which I myself do not have an answer to. In any case, >>>> the >>>> >>> courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine. >>>> >>> But the >>>> >>> mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its >>>> AFRINIC-assigned >>>> >>> resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the >>>> >>> available >>>> >>> public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets. Any attempt to >>>> portray >>>> >>> them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The second logical problem with the statement above is contained >>>> >>> in the >>>> >>> part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal >>>> >>> consequences >>>> >>> on the concerned person." >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Exactly so! If the guy who posted the material you are reacting >>>> >>> to was >>>> >>> willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE >>>> OF the >>>> >>> possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for >>>> defamation, >>>> >>> then why are YOU worried about it? Why should AFRINIC be worried >>>> >>> about >>>> >>> it? Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation >>>> lawsuit >>>> >>> is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) >>>> defamatory >>>> >>> text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to >>>> >>> express >>>> >>> his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner >>>> >>> appears >>>> >>> to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless >>>> >>> censorship. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all >>>> >>> of the >>>> >>> issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts >>>> to >>>> >>> muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Regards, >>>> >>> rfg >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> >>> [email protected] <mailto: >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >>>> > >>>> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >
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