Hi Robert , I think Andrew made a very good point, despite your argument that he is pushing for the transfer policy for some other reasons. Passing a transfer policy would by all means reduce the risk of having AFRINIC badly affected entirely , including this community . And I think if we have a transfer policy in place it will also be good for future challenges. But not that it will always be a solution to look at during a crisis , but it will be helpful to have it in case it needs to be used . I suggest you look at it in a way where you put the interest of the future of the AFRINIC mind.
Regards, Ishmael On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 3:50 PM robert ford via Community-Discuss < [email protected]> wrote: > Typical of Andrew about transfer of rights. He clearly knows what he would > use such transfer policy for. > > Glad rightful thinking members of African Internet community understand > the baits > > RF > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 1 Aug 2021, at 15:44, Lamiaa Chnayti <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It makes absolute sense to pass a resource transfer policy that gives the > resource members the option of not getting dragged along the risky mess > AFRINIC is putting them through. > > But I don’t see the necessity of passing an emergency policy when we > already have a resource transfer policy that has been discussed and has > achieved consensus before, so it only makes sense that the board ratifies > the *AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT04.* > > > Best regards, > Lamiaa CHNAYTI > > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 at 13:39, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers >> and pass a transfer policy. >> >> Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this >> situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile >> transfer out - problem solved. >> >> It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which >> the community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if >> AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely >> zero risk in this approach. >> >> Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of other >> legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from the >> current legal situation >> >> I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its >> members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been >> echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should >> therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said >> risk if it is within their powers to do so >> >> Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on >> the merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system >> should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this >> situation. In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be >> nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members >> mitigate their risks as they see fit >> >> >> Andrew >> >> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Taiwo Oye <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM >> *To:* Paul Wollner <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* arin-discuss <[email protected]>; secretariat < >> [email protected]>; Community Discuss <[email protected]>; >> apnic-talk <[email protected]>; ripe-list <[email protected]>; >> Members Discuss <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service >> migration to other RIRs >> >> Good day all, >> >> I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement >> has been watered down now). >> >> If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending >> towards a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it >> is only right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry >> afloat. >> Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming to >> save the region. >> I will like the community to see this as “option 1”. >> >> Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not so >> likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to >> carry out its duties? >> >> If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members. >> >> If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of >> the financial breakdown. >> >> That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward >> and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive. >> >> On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello community >> >> I think I misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate >> sentiments. >> >> Let me try this again: >> In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC >> (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service >> function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted >> to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses. >> >> Regards >> Paul >> >> >> >> ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 *Paul Wollner >> <[email protected] <[email protected]>>* wrote >> ---- >> >> Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large. >> >> The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and >> especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, >> which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s >> inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its >> inability to meet its financial requirements. >> >> I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's >> hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry >> service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as >> well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s >> registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some >> time later. ( >> https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/ >> ) >> >> That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come >> out of litigation. >> >> Regards >> Paul Wollner >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >
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