James Cox wrote:
You have a corporate viewpoint of how Apache's relationship with Sun should be managed. I tend to think letting them know is fine. (Somehow any explanation of this would probably start sounding like the cluetrain manifesto...which I never read because it was too long winded, but whatever).. Let them decide based on the merits on whether they want to continue their association..
Not meaning to pick on you Andrew but this comment really made me feel i had
to respond.
Excellent.
Sun has a long standing relationship with the ASF, one that has taken alotif the association is that fragile to where one person saying the wrong thing would
of time to build, as well as contributed alot either way with regards to
both code and community development. I would hate to see a situation where
just one person could destroy that relationship.. and the above comment
suggests that you don't really understand [the benefits of] the ASF's
association with Sun.
jeapordize it, then I doubt its worth that much. Furthermore, if the relationship is
based on the abillity to silence individuals who work in ways that are contra to Sun's
interests then boy thats not too good for Apache.
whilst i support in general a "people.apache.org" style structure similar to
people.netscape.com and similar, just reading Jamie Zawinski's various rants
about what happens when you make a comment about another company (read,
partner) in your private space -- if it's possible to trace that you are an
apache guy, even if it's obscure, then that is bad.
So Sam Ruby is the ECMA conveiner for the .NET CLI.. I propose (since its well known) that he's an apache committer and the PMC chair of Jakarta that he be told he can't do that anymore.
You and I hold an entirely different view. I think you just decentralize control, set objectives and
simple rules and it will all work out. Complex behavior will result (just like the damn birds that
crap all over my Miata). You apparently have the need for greater order.
centralization of Control. Its necessary to deceive Sun to maintain that relationship?This is an area where you have to be especially careful, and the first amendment argument doesn't really work here. If i were able to, i'd veto this on grounds that it'd be too difficult to maintain -- and get this -- people should be using their own web-domains and httpd/forrest/etc to get them working !
If you're not the one maintaining it, why would you veto it..what do you care?
-Andy
-- james
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