On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Sander Striker wrote:
> community@ is the only ASF wide list that is opt-in and not bound to
> a certain topic (like infrastructure@ for example).  committers@ always
> reaches _all_ committers if they want to participate or not.  So that
> list is not an option.

The fact that it is the only ASF-wide list for discussion seems to be an
argument for opening it, not closing it.

> Anyway, there are arguments for and against, a bunch of them are in the
> reorg@ archives.
>
> In the community@ archives you can find the vote on whether this list
> should be open or closed.

Yah.  Right.  And where would I find those archives?  One good reason for
opening a list is it allows us to have public archives.

Sorry for rehashing an old issue, but I just can't imagine a topic I would
want to discuss on here that I wouldn't want to be public.  Apache is an
open organization.  All discussion should be open unless there is a very
specific reason otherwise.  And the only reasons I can think of are
security, legal, and making decisions on "trust" (which I always put in
quotes).  None of that should be happening here.

If I were to write a set of Apache principles, "Open discussion and
debate" would certainly be one of them.  We aren't following that here.

Joshua.

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