I think this reasoning is a fluke. Terms "military" and "government" are by
far to be any kind of "minority".

In general yes, the license would not be OSS, but putting "specific group
of people" in same drawer as "goverment" does not hold IMO.


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:04 AM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote:

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> On 2 July 2014 09:42, Jan Matèrne <j...@materne.de> wrote:
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>> Even if you could exclude cyber crime and spying from a legal use by your
>> license - do you really think that these users would follow your license?
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> of course they would not, but that is beside the point.
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> If you in a license exclude a specific group of people (like redhaired
> vikings), it would not hold up in court, and you run the risk of being sued
> for being against a minority. You can anytime exclude a specific use in
> your license, a good example is pro. licenses that often exclude use in
> conjunction with nuclear plants.
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> Having made an exclusion in the license, is a possibility to sue for
> illegal use, or much more important, in case of goverments, bad press (much
> much effective at the fraction of the cost).
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> rgds
> jan I
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>> Jan
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>> *Von:* Johannes Geppert [mailto:jo...@apache.org]
>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2014 09:37
>> *An:* community@apache.org
>> *Betreff:* Re: Government License
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>> Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete
>> usage scenarios instead?
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>> Like cyber crime and/or spying
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>> Johannes
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>> 2014-07-02 9:24 GMT+02:00 David Welton <dav...@dedasys.com>:
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>> > Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military
>> > uses.
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>> Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because
>> it goes against the definition.  You can't have it both ways: you
>> can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay,
>> Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you
>> happen to dislike.
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>> David N. Welton
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