Let me check CGOS statistics based on relatively evenly match opponents and I will filter out players that are pretty weak. Then I'll present the data.
CGOS is not really a democracy, but I do care about the wishes of the program authors. So after I show some data, if it's highly in favor of white I would like to hear from those opposed and those in favor of going to 6.5 komi. I am interested also in HOW opposed or HOW much in favor you are. But let's wait for the data first. - Don On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 01:09 +0200, Erik van der Werf wrote: > Maybe we could just do a vote? > > Erik > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 22:43 +0200, Erik van der Werf wrote: > >> > The only reason I would favor one over the other > >> > is if it turned out that in "practical play" the games ended up > >> closer. > >> > For instance if black won a 53% at 6.5 komi and white wins 51% at > >> 7.5 > >> > komi, I would favor 7.5 because it kept the scores close. > >> > >> Last week I was told that, with 7.5 komi against itself, Mogo wins > >> over 60% as White. Also against my own program I have much better > >> chances when playing White. > > > > I really don't trust this after doing the Leela experiments. > > > > Also, I studied this a while back with CGOS data and saw a very tiny > > advantage for white, not much. This was even when I filtered the weaker > > opponents out. I suppose I could do this again but it doesn't seem to > > prove anything. > > > >> As programs become stronger the advantage for one side with fractional > >> komi will inevitably become totally unbalanced. At some point we will > >> approach 100% and then I rather have that go to the first player. The > >> only fair alternative is to use integer komi. > > > > I think we have a long time for that to happen. When that day comes, > > 9x9 will be like checkers is now, you have to play 10 or 20 draws just > > to get 1 or 2 wins. > > > > - Don > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > computer-go mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > >
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