Yes, this is a powerful feature that all chess interfaces have. There is one issue with GTP that will have to be kludged around - there is no way to stop an engine from thinking that is provided naturally by gtp. GTP has the nice feature that you can pipe in commands from a file, but it's not an ideal protocol for a sophisticated interface.
Therefore, it is impossible to build a workable interface for all programs without requiring some basic modification to the protocol. I believe the protocol should have a special mode for this, the ability to accept commands even while busy - the ability to communicate asynchronously which is required to build the more sophisticated interfaces. I don't want to open up a can of worms here - this has been discussed on this list before. But it's a necessary step that will have to be taken sooner or later and I would personally prefer it's hea - Don On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Łukasz Lew <[email protected]> wrote: > I like the idea very much. > But the coding effort is mostly in the GUI so it depends whether > gogui's (or other GUIS's) author will like the idea. > > It has great commercial/popularity potential. > But it is not so important for research. > > Lukasz > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 07:35, "Ingo Althöfer" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > during the last weekend I have tried (for the > > first time) to use commercial go programs > > to analyse some games played between human > > players (on KGS). > > The idea was to use the bots for blunderchecks. > > So, I was looking for positions where the > > evaluation (in win percentages) jumped or > > dropped between consecutive moves. > > > > > > *** Concrete Example *** > > > > Amongst others I looked at a game between > > bwilcox[3d] and harleqin [2d], played on April 20, > > 2009, starting time 5:31 [CEST]. You can download > > the sgf for instance from the KGS archive at > > http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=Harleqin > > > > (By the way, bwilcox might be Bruce Wilcox, one of > > the veterans in computer go.) > > > > > > Both programs in my analysis "claimed" that > > 77.f13 was a big error: > > * In Leela the score dropped from 50.5 to 41.4 . > > * In ManyFaces the score dropped from 50.0 to 45.8 . > > > > Instead of 77.f13, both programs proposed 77.d14, > > with the possible continuation 78.e14 79.d13 . > > > > I discussed these "findings" with Harleqin, and > > he agreed that 77.f13 was a move that brought him > > into problems. > > > > > > *** General Wish *** > > > > Unfortunately current, (commercial) go programs > > (including Leela and ManyFaces) do not have a user > > interface that allows for COMFORTABLE analysis of > > games. The user has to click lots of buttons when > > jumping back and forth in some sgf. > > > > My wish is to have something similar to that, what has become > > standard in computer chess programs in the mid 1990's: > > * on the left half of the screen the diagram of the board > > * on the right half a list (not only sgf, but also with > > move numbers included) > > * the program is computing in analysis (infinite) mode > > * when the user clicks (by mouse) on any move in the move list > > then the program jumps immediately to this position and > > starts analysing (of course this position is shown in the diagram) > > * of course the screen should all the time show (in fat font) > > what the value of komi in the game under investigation is. > > > > * Another big wish: the programs should allow for some k-best mode > > where not only the best but the k best moves are computed (k being > > some integer specified by the user). > > > > Ingo. > > -- > > Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + > Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* > http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a > > _______________________________________________ > > computer-go mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ >
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