It could be a matter of style as you say, not a matter of strength. My main questions is whether it's been established as true that Zen really plays poorly and Many Faces is brilliant against mirror go. Or does it just seem that way based on casual observation?
The only reason I make an issue out of this is that it has happened to me many times, where I think I see a trend or a pattern based on a few games but it turns out to be just my imagination or low sample size. Humans have wonderful pattern recognition, but it's well know that we easily find patterns where they don't exist too. In high school I played a game of chess with this guy and happened to win and everyone assumed that I was "better" as a result of that game. But I remembered the game as a difficult one that could have gone either way. That one observation caused people to draw firm conclusions. In fact this happens all the time - Kasparov - Deep Blue "proved" that computers were now better than the best players (based on 4 games and a HUGE statistical margin of error.) Anyway, I don't dispute this (I have no idea if it's true or false), but it's an interesting enough problem or situation that I think we should know if we are on solid ground before speculating about why one program handles this and another doesn't. Can we assume that both programs are approximately equal or is MFGO clearly stronger (or visa versa?) - Don On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Darren Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > > But go programs do not KNOW they are playing mirror go and would have no > > motivation to specifically set this up. So how is it that some equally > > strong programs have no problem while others do? > > I wondered if some programs prefer contact moves more? In which case the > chances of them attaching to the central stone are higher. > > Ingo's example game against Many Faces shows how playing mirror go > religiously to the end becomes suicidal. Are the people playing mirror > go against Zen on KGS breaking off the mirroring before falling into > these traps? (It can be late, e.g. black 161, filling the liberty of a > group that doesn't have two eyes yet, was the obvious point to stop, but > even playing black 163 at N11 would have been in time.) > > Darren > > > > -- > Darren Cook, Software Researcher/Developer > http://dcook.org/gobet/ (Shodan Go Bet - who will win?) > http://dcook.org/mlsn/ (Multilingual open source semantic network) > http://dcook.org/work/ (About me and my work) > http://dcook.org/blogs.html (My blogs and articles) > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ >
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