Ofcourse I can't say what a "correct" opening is. What I can say though, is that if bots are onto something with their strange openings, at this point it's by accident. They really do underestimate the chances of an invader. That goes for moyo "parachute" invasions as well as corner invasions. I think that's because the likelyhood of randomly playing killing moves is greater than the chance of randomly playing shinogi moves. Disproving the initial hypothesis about such an invasion is an unsolved task. David Fotland made a similar comment about semeais that are incorrectly evaluated because the losing side can play its moves in any order while the winning side cannot.
Stefan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jasiek" <[email protected]> To: "computer-go" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Re: Joseki Book > Ingo Althöfer wrote: > > So, do you believe that the human problem of overestimating early > > territory is more severe than the MCTS-bot problem of overestimating > > influence? > > Of course, I was exaggerating as much as Stefan:) The truth is: We > simply don't know the perfect play's degree of territory vs. influence > balance. > > One thing is clear though: Traditional opening theory "ends" on the 4th > line. Not because that line would be the end of the world but because > traditional go theory is ignorant about trying to evaluate higher stones > in comparison to lower stones well. > > Needless to say, I have always been happy that MC programs have been > ("accidentally" of course) copying my opening style as Black:) IMO, > their 19x19 opening strength is at least 3d level. It might be higher > but I cannot prove or disprove it. They tend to play a bit more > unrelated stones that those in my games. > > > PS: Can you give us a comment on Fuego's influence-oriented Joseki's > > in the KGS bot tournament on Sunday ? > > I am not sure which game that is; please send it to me / the list as SGF > inline or attachment. Or do you mean all games of Fuego played on 11-08? > > -- > robert jasiek > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
