Petr Baudis: <[email protected]>: > Hi! > >On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 05:50:37PM +0900, Hideki Kato wrote: >> I and Hiroshi have put FudoGo and Aya into CGOS 13x13 and now four, >> including the anchor, GNU Go, programs are running. Please join us >> if interested. >> http://cgos.boardspace.net/13x13/standings.html >> >> Since strongest MC bots are reaching the pro level on 9x9 board, I >> think the next target will be 13x13. In the Computer Olympiad >> Kanazawa, a new tournament, 13x13 Go, will also be created. In the >> human Go community in Japan, there is a TV program for bigginers >> supported by Nihon-kiin for a year. Also, Chang Hsu, ex Meijin in >> Japan, wrote and told 13x13 is the best for begginers in his books >> and TV interviews and is organizing a personal 13x13 Go tournament in >> Taiwan. > > On a related note, I have trialed Pachi on 15x15 board for about a >month on KGS and I became a huge fan of the size - the advantage is that >classical strategic concepts and joseki are much more visible on 15x15 >and 13x13, yet the game is much shorter than 19x19. So, I'd like to >encourage others to also try out this board, perhaps when demoing their >bots on KGS or such. :-)
I agree 15x15 is also interesting for begginers. One interesting(?) point for both board sizes is that the center is so narrower than 19x19 that simple MC bots (including my FudoGo :-) which just enclose center area cannot be strong. > (For program development, I'm not sure if we do need another mid-step; >with good playing level reached on 9x9, it may be enough to just >continue tuning directly for 19x19. We have at least the Shodan Go Bet >to aim at. ;-) I, now, think mid-step is necessary, as a watcher of Zen19 :). I'm just a 2k player but can understand there are many problems left to compete with strong human players. Recognizing a double ko, for example, may require some higher-level analysis. Currently no good way to manage even simple ko fights in MC simulations is established. On the hardware side, currently (by the root parallelism, I mean) an HPC cluster doesn't help much but improves just a few stones on 19x19. Yamato told me that Zen will have no chance to win the Shodan Bet even using HPC clusters. Hideki -- Hideki Kato <mailto:[email protected]> _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
